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Q: I need some knowlege on influences with corns right now. I have a clutch containing blizzards het caramel het stripe and amels 66% het charcoal het caramel het stripe. Produced from butter het charcoa
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bone_crusher504

I need some knowlege on influences with corns right now. I have a clutch containing blizzards het caramel het stripe and amels 66% het charcoal het caramel het stripe. Produced from butter het charcoal X amel stripe het charcoal. Ok niw here is the question: all the neonates are blizzards or amels i understand that, but i have 1 individual that is neither amel of blizzard from the looks of it, it looks just like a snow. It has a seriously visual pattern and 0 red pigment. Could anyone point me to weather its a low expressed amel or blizzard because im not sure what to tag it as l. Here is a pic


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Author Comment 5/22/2013 7:51:08 PM

bone_crusher504

http://www.imgur.com/PYy3qEH.jpeg

 
Member Comment 5/22/2013 7:57:24 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

 
Accepted Answer 5/22/2013 8:01:22 PM

Two Corny People

There is a difference between Anery A and Anery B (charcoal).  Unless both parents are het anery A then it cannot be a snow.  If charcoal is involved then it is a blizzard.  Blizzards have patterns but the pattern typically fade off as time goes by.  Our recommendation is to wait for the first shed and then look and see if there are any pigmentation changes.  This is a really good website that explains the genetics behind the various morphs and explains how pigmentation will change as corn snakes age.  We have had multiple very light amels as hatchlings who have progressed to a darker red over time.  Your picture did not show up so we cannot give you a definite answer.

http://www.serpwidgets.com/main/morphs

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/blizzard/?sid=fa54f1474e29793c46fb853a0ec90ff5 Various blizzard pictures

http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/amelanistic/?sid Various amel pictures showing different amounts of pigmentation

 
Member Comment 5/22/2013 8:05:30 PM

Two Corny People

The posted picture looks like a snow - is this the first year that this female has been bred?  One or both of your snakes could be het Anery A as well as Anery B (charcoal) - it appears to also have a motley pattern - does it have belly checkers? 

 
Author Comment 5/22/2013 8:20:08 PM

bone_crusher504

It has belly checkers and  i had a clutch of 17 corns which were all amel or blizzard except this one. The parents are not anery so its not possible to be snow.

 
Member Comment 5/22/2013 8:30:55 PM

Tiki108

It is possible for the parents to both have been het for anery and that to have not been known, or maybe the charcoal is actually an anery charcoal?  They can look just like anery or charcoal, sometimes it's a little hard to tell.  But I would wait for the first shed and see if the pattern goes away, if not then maybe it is possible for the parents to have been het anery.

 
Author Comment 5/22/2013 8:55:24 PM

bone_crusher504

I found out the that the mother of the butter was a blizzard poss het caramel poss het lavender and the father of the butter was an amel poss het lavender so possibly whats exhibiting in this individual is actually a pearl 

 
Assisted Answer 5/22/2013 10:02:23 PM

Two Corny People

If it is "pearl" as you state above then you have hybrid genetics in there because "pearl" is a term used to describe a Hybrid (Corn x Leucistic Rat).  Honestly, we are sticking with snow and the fact that you probably have other genetics involved as we mentioned above - if you dont know what it is and you think it is a "pearl" then you better make sure to label it as a hybrid instead of a "blizzard" or "pale/light amel".  Your thread asked us for advice - here is another website from one of our fellow CS.com members that shows all aspects of a blizzard.  To be honest if YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE SNAKE'S HISTORY AND GENETICS ARE FOR SURE THEN PLEASE AVOID "labeling" it until you are sure - there are too many of those already out there that claim to have the genetics and then when test bred end up not having what you originally purchased.  Sometimes in a clutch such as the one described above you DO HIT the rare one in which the hets line up that you did not think were there - the owners of the parents may have not known if there was both Anery A and Anery B - you will not know this unless you hold onto the snake and test breed it later with a snake that has KNOWN HETS - only then can you be sure what your snake really is.

http://www.allaboutcornsnakes.com/cs_blizzard.html

 
Member Comment 5/22/2013 11:31:53 PM

Katiessnakes

Maybe he means "Opal" and not "Pearl"...

 
Assisted Answer 5/22/2013 11:42:53 PM

Two Corny People

Opals (amel + lavender) do change drastically from hatchling to adult.  That would make more sense than "snow" if there is definitely amel and lavender in the genetics.  Opals can start out as washed out looking red albinos as mentioned above with pattern.  If it is an opal then here are some pictures from hatchling to adult for comparison:  http://www.allaboutcornsnakes.com/cs_opal.html

 
Member Comment 5/22/2013 11:45:35 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

Has it had its first shed yet? Maybe it'd become clearer after?

 
Author Comment 5/23/2013 12:12:47 AM

bone_crusher504

It was born today so ill have a better idea next week. Imma hold this one back just incase and pair it to a lavender and if i get lavenders i can set my mind to ease lol

 
Member Comment 5/25/2013 4:37:33 PM

FyreFocks

I'd like to know how many eggs hatched and a count of each morph that hatched please.

 
Member Comment 6/7/2013 11:59:56 AM

Cenobite

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