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Q: Baby Chondros?
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Why does it seem like red gtps are more "expensive" than yellows? Is there any real difference besides color?

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Topics: Neonate Rearing
Tags: Baby, Chondro
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Member Comment 1/24/2012 9:14:24 PM

Big Sarge

The reason why, as P.T. Barnum said, "there's a sucker born everyday." Or maybe that's just by opinion since yellow and red GTP babies eventually turn green.

Member Comment 1/24/2012 10:02:02 PM


Good question, I don't know the answer, but I'm curious as well.  Che's answer makes sense though.

Member Comment 1/24/2012 10:03:34 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

LOL... In my limited understanding, there is a potential for more blues in an adult animal that was a red neo.

Member Comment 1/24/2012 10:04:45 PM


Depending on what you are looking for, in some lines, red neos have been proven to morph into more spectacular looking adults adults (especially with blue-line, and mite phase animals). Additionally, red neos go through a more dramatic color change than yellow. So, even in basic locality pairings where both a yellow and red baby might end up looking similar, the red neo will have gone through a much different, more dramatic change.

Member Comment 1/24/2012 10:48:17 PM


Reds tend to turn into more colorful adults ,Most of the high blue  and black animals  came from red neos  from what I understand ..

Member Comment 1/24/2012 11:19:30 PM


Yes, red neos have the potential for high yellow, blue, and melanistic traits, as well as turning green. Whereas yellow neos usually turn green. However, yellows also make amazing high yellows, tri colors, and IMO the hormonal blue that yellow adult females turn is much nicer than some of the blue line, red counterparts.

But be on the look out for John Leckie over the next couple years. His work with Rob Worrels animals has produced some babies that have just as much potential as red babies. He is a member here if you want to check out his stuff.

Accepted Answer 1/25/2012 7:19:28 AM


IMO, reds have a tendency to morph into more desireable looking animals PRIMARILY when the animals are produced from high end lines.  If the traits weren't well represented in the lines to begin with, then you are probably (key word is probably) going to end up with a green animal that looks not much different than its yellow sibling.  Big Sarge's comment about a sucker born every minute has some truth to it, and the blanket notion that reds produce nicer looking adults has generated a demand for reds over yellows.  This demand has caused breeders to price the reds higher, not necessarily because they will end up as nicer adults, but because if they priced them the same then the reds would sell out and the yellows will sit there until the breeder drops the price.  In order to attempt to move both colors out, they are priced accordingly from the start.  Unfortunately this then perpetuates the idea that the reds are worth more, or that they are more likely to produce nicer adults, and the cycle continues. 

I will bet there are far more plain green snakes that morphed from red neos then there are high end adults that morphed from both yellow and red neos combined, yet people will still pay hundreds more for a red over a yellow from the same clutch, thinking they have a good chance of getting something "special", even though the parents were just average green animals.

When considering paying a bit more for that red neo, pay close attention to the parents, the lineage, and previous animals produced from that same pairing to determine if the price difference is justified.  With high end pairings, it probably is.

Member Comment 1/25/2012 8:07:40 AM


We charge a little more for our reds than the yellows because of the high mite phasing we've gotten from our reds. Never had it show up in a yellow yet. Our yellows usually end up real clean, so it's all in what you're looking for.

Member Comment 1/25/2012 11:13:26 AM


I tend to like the vibrant greens that the yellows turn into, reds more often than not seem to have a more muted green adult color than the yellows. 

Best bet is to figure out what you like in an adult, then go with a pairing that has the chance of producing that. If you're after a blue snake, you're unlikely to get there from yellow. If you want a vibrant tri-color, yellow is a pretty good bet. And buy from a hobbiest, not a broker.

Member Comment 1/25/2012 3:46:03 PM

Brandon Osborne
As mentioned above, some bloodlines are better known for red babies producing blue or mite flecked adults, as well as yellow adults. Some lines however, produce the best high yellow adults from yellow hatchlings, thus making red babies less expensive(see my SZC pairings). It's all about what is in it.
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