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Q: BP Morphs and Possibilities
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CrazyBall

Is there such thing as a Het Albino Mojave....? That is where the characteristics for albino are not present but they have the genes right....and they look like mojave right?

 

If so that would awesome to find a female....

 

If I were to breed one with my normal male the possibilities for babies would be norm, albino, mojave, het albino, het mojave right?


Points: 50
Topics: Cycling , Egg Laying , Genetics
Tags: Genetics, Morph
Species: Pythons > Pythons > Python regius
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Accepted Answer 2/22/2009 5:34:01 PM

Katie M
Actually, you would get 50% of the offspring as het for albino (you wouldn't be able to tell by looking who those babies would be), 50 % that have no het for albino.  Approximately 50% of the babies would be mojave, as it is a co-dominant gene, however, there is no such thing as het for mojave.  So you would get approximatey 50% that looked normal, 50% that looked mojave, and approximately half of each of those groups would be 100% het for albino, but you would label all of them as 50% hets.  Good luck, let me know if that didn't make sense
 
Assisted Answer 2/22/2009 9:35:53 PM

Matts Animals

Mojave het Albino x Normal =

25% Mojave het albino
25% Mojave
25% het albino
25% normal

but realistically... (possible hets 50%)

50% mojave possible het albino
50% normal possible het albino

i think u might be a little screwed up on the co-dom thing. Mojave is a Co-dominate gene, it acts like a recessive as in it has a homozygous form (blue-eyed lucy) , but it visually shows up. albino is recessive and if an animal is het for it, you have no way of telling visually. you need to get the homozgous form to see a recessive trait.

to get the above animals you posted you would atleast need a mojave het albino x het albino... it would give

12.5% normal
25% het albino
12.5% albino
12.5% mojave
25% mojave het albino
12.5% mojave albino

but again realistically (possible hets are 66%)

37.5% possible het albino
12.5% albino
37.5% mojave possible het albino
12.5% mojave albino

 
Member Comment 2/23/2009 3:22:36 AM

Exhume
the only thing im looking foward to produce would be a cinnamon X Pinstripe

and i would call it the cinnatwist!
 
Member Comment 2/23/2009 3:22:17 PM

FartherAway420
Cinnamon X Pinstripe would create whats called a Cinny Pin. At this point nearly every combination has been done, not leaving much for new possibilities unless you get into the 10k+ ball pythons.
 
Member Comment 2/23/2009 5:14:21 PM

Noah Criswell
Actually there are TONS of combos that havent been done. Were getting into the 4, 5 and 6 morph combos now and the possibilties are almost endless.
 
Member Comment 2/23/2009 5:56:45 PM

FartherAway420
I agree that the possibiltes are almost endless. But those 4, 5, 6 morph combos are the ones I'm referring to costing mega bucks or many years.
 
Member Comment 2/26/2009 1:48:44 AM

amarilrose
Dittos FatherAway.

CrazyBall: The best thing to do is to make sure you get good, accurate information about how the morphs are inherited, because many are "codom" (Co-Dominant), "dom" (Dominant), and some are recessive.  There are some unscrupulous people, and some gullible people who sell Ball Pythons, and both kinds could sell you something that is essentially a rip-off if you don't know better by reading up on it first. 

Case in point: the Spider morph is inherited as a Dominant trait.  Don't buy anything that looks like a normal snake but is labeled "het Spider."  I'm sure there are still plenty of people around who are confused about that one.

Mojave is a codom trait, the heterozygous form being the Mojave, and the homozygous morph form being a Blue-Eyed Leucistic animal (which to me makes it completely unattractive to cross into an albino).  Albinism is a recessive trait, so you will only see the morph in a homozygous animal, and you can't tell a normal animal from an animal that is het albino by looking.

I saw on your profile you are looking to start school soon.  If it isn't automatically required of your degree anyway, find a good Statistics course.  A good understanding of basic statistics is extremely useful in understanding any possible breeding outcomes from any morph cross.  A genetics course couldn't hurt either, especially with your interest in Criminal Justice (all the intricacies of genetic evidence are very intriguing!!)... but as long as you can understand how to set up a Punnett square, it will be an understanding of statistics that will help you most to understand morph breeding.  :)
 
Author Comment 2/27/2009 9:36:00 PM

CrazyBall
Is there any way (also by looking at my snake) to tell what kind of traits he holds....or would i have to run a DNA test...?
 
Member Comment 3/1/2009 2:14:43 AM

TigerLilly

I don't know about DNA testing, but I'm sure it would be prohibitively expensive. Proving out the traits by growing them up and breeding them is how us poor folk do it! General rule of thumb is if it looks like a normal and you have no idea of its genetic background, then for all intents & purposes, it is considered a normal. If you are talking about genetically testing the bp you already have, IMHO, I don't think it would be worth it, unless you have the money to throw around--and in that case, let me know cuz I got a couple of possible pied hets I'd like tested!
If you're talking about genetically testing a bp you might get in the future, that one's easy: just buy from reputable breeders that guarantee their genetics and give paperwork to back it up!

 
Member Comment 3/1/2009 3:34:05 AM

amarilrose
TigerLilly has it right.  The other side of this whole idea of genetic testing that a lot of people don't know about, is that it probably just isn't available.  Period.  I've taken several courses in genetics, and I currently work in two university labs conducting genetic tests, and I have a vague idea of what is involved in actually developing a test for a given allele.  The first step is to actually identify the allele on the given chromosome.  Then a lab would have to come up with an actual primer (forward and reverse) with which they could actually apply a successful test.  That is a very crude run-down on what would need to happen before any testing could be done (it would likely take several years)... and I'm pretty much willing to say it can't possibly have been done yet.  Just developing such primers and tests would take a LOT of time and money.

So, what I am saying is, it isn't prohibitively expensive yet... it just isn't available!

If you can find out who bred your snake, and find out what its parents were, you have a much better chance of finding out what traits he may carry.  A lot of "possible het" males get sold as normals because investing in "possy hets" is really a bit of a crap shoot, and typically only worthwhile with females... but don't go getting your hopes up; there are a LOT of recessive morphs in Ball Pythons, and IF you were to find out that you possess a "possible het," you would have to know what he possibly carries in order for that to be the least bit worthwhile, then breed him to a female that in some way also carries that trait (though a homozygous female would make it much easier to figure out)... females must be at least 3 years old & 1500 grams as a minimum to safely breed... we're talking about a pretty serious investment of time to research your animal's heritage (information that may just not be available), an investment of funds in a morph female (females are almost always more expensive than equivalent morph males), time for the female to mature (as it is almost impossible to buy an adult morph female... and if you could find one, that would likely be prohibitively expensive)....  All that time, money & effort to breed one hypothetical female to the male you have who may possibly carry a recessive morph trait.  I listed all this out assuming you would be working on this by yourself because it is risky to get involved in this kind of money, time, & effort with anybody else, even if they are family -- many partnerships fall out in such a time span.

I really don't mean to be all "doom and gloom" with this.  My point is: for all intents & purposes, consider your snake a normal.  :)  It saves you the heartburn of everything I rambled about above.  If you like a certain morph, then learn about it, and purchase carefully.  No matter what, work with animals & morphs that you like -- you and your animals will benefit from that!!  :)
 
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