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Posted by Abby McDufford at 6/30/2012 1:39:44 PM

I don't know why I do this to myself, but here is a recent horrible ad I found on Craigslist. I can't help but browse it every once in a while, usually trying to help people learn more about the animals they have, though they almost always respond ungratefully/angrily. No exception here either. See for yourselves!

I emailed them telling them they needed to rethink their caging and care immediately, and sent some good links to help. Of course they respond in a very aggressive and hateful manner, but I had to try. Maybe if more folks email her, she will realize she is wrong.

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Posted At: 6/30/2012 1:53:49 PM  

Always infuriates me to find ads such as that, especially when it involves a crestie. I hope someone with enough sense can adopt them and provide them proper set ups.

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 1:55:01 PM  

Me too. They claim that they know what they are doing and that the cage has been specifically set up for BOTH of their needs. I wasn't aware two completely different sets of temps/lights could be maintained in one 29 gallon aquarium simultaneously!

Lisa ,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 2:13:27 PM  

Poor babies....Iggy even looks like he is saying "help"! 

Posted At: 6/30/2012 2:49:49 PM  

Well, not even that, but here in the summer months, I HIGHLY doubt that the crestie needs any source of heat.

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 2:52:32 PM  

Exactly, poor guy is probably cooking! 

Niki ,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 3:02:53 PM  

Dang. How much ya want to bet a petstore told them this setup was okey?

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 3:05:48 PM  

Given their responses, I think this may be the type of person who doesn't even get the store's opinion/advice. But I could be wrong, stores DO give out crap info most of the time. Still, I don't understand why people get outright mean when someone is trying to help them. Only like 1 out of 20 people I try to help actually seem happy I contacted them. 

Aundria McDufford,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 4:27:02 PM  

Really, how hard is it to look up info on the species you are keeping? The fact that they don't take 5 minutes to look it up shows they don't care. There's no excuse for not knowing.

Cindy ,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 10:54:36 PM  

I emailed her, telling her that those two reptiles can't be housed together. That cresties need to be housed below 80 degrees, please separate them until you have them sold. I was not nasty at all, just said you can house the crestie in a rubbermade tub with holes until it is sold...

"leave me alone they have lived together for a yr they are not suffering by any means. They both eat great and are handled daily do not sit here and tell me how to take care of them."

Yeah. OK, you are doing a great job so far. 

Cindy ,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 10:55:17 PM  

How come I can't copy and paste on here, or put in links?  Bugs me sometimes.

Amanda Martin,
Posted At: 6/30/2012 11:04:22 PM  

This is why I never look at reptiles for sale on Craigslist.  There is a man local to me who breeds them like crazy and sells the babies on Craigslist for $25 a pop.  The pictures he posts are terrible; the enclosures are dirty, the hatchlings barely a few weeks old and underweight.  I used to flag them mercilessly, but he just keeps posting them.  Eventually, I just had to quit, or I was going to go crazy.

Sometimes people just suck.  End of story.  :P

The Shammernator ,
Posted At: 7/1/2012 2:52:35 AM  
Sadly nobody is going to "adopt" those two sorry animals and that sad excuse of a cage for freakig $200!!! This idiot is off their rocker!

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 7/1/2012 6:31:12 AM  

Cindy, that's basically the type of response I got too. My first email to her said:

You need to get those animals separated, they have totally different care requirements and diets. Iguanas need huge cages with UVB, a hot spot of 90+ degrees and lots of healthy vegetables. Cresteds should never get above 80 degrees and need Crested Gecko Diet, they are not strictly insectivores and will get metabolic bone disease if fed only crickets. They are also nocturnal and all of those lights are stressful to them. Please find them a home with someone who knows what they are doing. Here is more info so you can get them set up right in the mean time. Not trying to be rude just trying to help. Good luck!

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 7/1/2012 6:32:28 AM  

Weird, there was more to my post, but it disappeared :/ I included two links, one to green iguana society and one to pangea reptile's crestie caresheet. Her response:

I happen to know what I'm doing and no how to take care of these animals so your input is not required. Both these animals live together just fine I have it set up specifically for them so you can take your know all knowledge and get lost. 

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 7/1/2012 6:34:59 AM  

I responded again and said:

If you know what you are doing, you will realize your setup is very poor for these animals. I am not trying to be mean, but read those links and you will surely see that you need to make some changes. Just ask any reptile keeper and they will tell you the same. 

Her response:

You have no clue what my setup is like do you can shut it. 

My last response, which she has yet to respond to:

According to your ad, it is a 29 gallon with eco earth and lamps which are only suitable for the iguana. There is no way possible you are achieving two separate biomes in a 29 gallon aquarium. No need to get defensive. In the photo you can clearly see that there are feces all over the bedding as well. It is a huge no-no to keep different species together, but especially animals that have such vastly different requirements. These are the first things every reptile owner should know and learn.

Abby McDufford,
Posted At: 7/1/2012 6:39:07 AM  

I love it (hate it) when people say "They've been like this for a year! That is proof I'm doing it right!" Okay guys... Just because something is alive does not mean it is FINE or healthy or HAPPY. I can point you in the direction of photos of starving children in Africa and say "Look, they're alive! They must have all that they need!" You'd think someone with even 1 functioning brain cell would know this, but I've found time and time again that just isn't the case...

Niki ,
Posted At: 7/1/2012 10:43:38 AM  

You should send her your comment about the children, I loved it, lol. Some animals can *live* in care, but they may not *thrive* in the care. Big difference.

Posted At: 7/1/2012 10:09:21 PM  

Wow, people can be so ignorant, this is another perfect example of one of my favorite concepts, the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

I do love your analogy about the children in Africa and I hope you do say that to this moron.  I'll go ahead and email her, maybe if she gets enough emails she'll realize.

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