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New York, The Pen is Mightier than the Sword!

Posted by KCB Constrictors at 2/4/2013 1:00:59 PM

"Any person owning, possessing or harboring a wild animal or reptile capable
of inflicting bodily harm upon a human being is guilty of a CLASS E FELONY AS DEFINED BY THE PENAL LAW."

Without action, the above quote will be made law in New York State. Yes, even the smallest of reptiles have teeth and are capable of bodily harm. As currently written, it effectively bans ALL reptiles. Due to the size of my collection, this law would instantly make me a felon 30 times over.

The proposed bill, A2869, is currently in the NYS Agriculture Committee for review. Below is a list I've complied with the names and contact information of EVERY assembly member on that committee. Please take a few minutes to help me oppose this reckless and overbearing legislation. Write a polite but firm letter explaining your opposition. Do not be rude. Do not be vulgar. And for the love of God, proof read it (or give it to someone who's good at writing to proof read it for you). Then print out 46 copies and send 2 letters to each of the 23 committee members (one to their Albany office, and one to their district office). If their email address is listed, send a copy electronically too. Herper's of NY, make your voices heard!

Assemblyman William Magee
District Office
214 Farrier Avenue
Oneida, NY 13421
315-361-4125
Albany Office
LOB 828
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-4807

Assemblymember Didi Barrett
District Office
7578 North Broadway
Suite 4
Red Hook, NY 12571
845-758-9790

Albany Office
LOB 532
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5177
Fax: 518-455-5418

BarrettD@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Michael Benedetto
District Office
177 Dreiser Loop, Rm. 12
Bronx, NY 10475
718-320-2220

District Office
3602 E. Tremont Ave.
Suite 201
Bronx, NY 10465
718-892-2235

Albany Office
LOB 602
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5296

benedettom@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Ken Blankenbush
District Office
15 Bridge Street
West Carthage, NY 13619
315-493-3909

Albany Office
LOB 430
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5797

blankenbushk@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblymember Harry B. Bronson
District Office
840 University Avenue
Rochester, NY 14607
585-244-5255

Albany Office
LOB 821
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-4527

bronsonh@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Marc W. Butler
District Office
33-41 E. Main Street
Johnstown, NY 12095
518-762-6486

District Office
235 North Prospect St.
Herkimer, NY 13350
315-866-1632

Albany Office
LOB 318
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5393

Assemblymember Clifford W. Crouch
District Office
1 Kattelville Road
Suite 1
Binghamton, NY 13901
607-648-6080

Albany Office
LOB 450
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5741

CrouchC@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Gary D. Finch

District Office
69 South Street
Auburn, NY 13021
315-255-3045

Albany Office
LOB 448
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5878

Assemblymember Aileen M. Gunther
District Office
18 Anawana Lake Road
Monticello, NY 12701
845-794-5807

District Office
Middletown City Hall, 3rd floor
16 James Street
Middletown, NY 10940
845-342-9304

Albany Office
LOB 435
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5355

GuntheA@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Stephen Hawley
District Office
121 N. Main Street
Suite 100
Albion, NY 14411
585-589-5780

Albany Office
Room 329 LOB
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5811

HawleyS@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblywoman Barbara Lifton
District Office
106 East Court Street
Ithaca, NY 14850
607-277-8030

Albany Office
LOB 555
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5444

Assemblymember Peter D. Lopez
District Office
45 Five Mile Woods Rd.
Ste. 3
Catskill, NY 12414
518-943-1371

District Office
113 Park Place
Suite 6
Schoharie, NY 12157
518-295-7250

Albany Office
LOB 402
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5363

LopezP@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Alan Maisel
District Office
2424 Ralph Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11234-5517
718-968-2770

Albany Office
538 LOB
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5211

MaiselA@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Steven Otis
District Office
933 Mamaroneck Avenue
Suite 102
Mamaroneck, NY 10543
914-777-3832

Albany Office
LOB 648
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-4897

OtisS@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Jose Rivera
District Office
One Fordham Plaza
Suite 1008 10th Floor
Bronx, NY 10458
718-933-2204

Albany Office
LOB 536
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5414

Assemblymember Linda B. Rosenthal
District Office
230 West 72nd Street
Suite 2F
New York, NY 10023
212-873-6368

Albany Office
741 LOB
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5802

Assemblymember Addie J. Russell
District Office
Jefferson County District Office
Dulles State Office Building, Suite 210
317 Washington Street
Watertown, NY 13601
315-786-0284
Fax: 315-786-0287

District Office
St. Lawrence County District Office
70 Main Street, Suite One
Canton, NY 13617
315-386-2037
Fax: 315-386-2041

Albany Office
LOB 456
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5545

Assemblymember Angelo Santabarbara
District Office
1170 Riverfront Center
Amsterdam, NY 12010
518-843-0227

Albany Office
LOB 829-A
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5197

SantabarbaraA@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblymember Luis R. Sepulveda
District Office
1973 Westchester Avenue
Bronx, NY 10462
718-931-2620

Albany Office
LOB 432
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5102

SepulvedaL@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Michael Simanowitz
District Office
159-06 71st Avenue
Flushing, NY 11365
718-969-1508
Fax: 718-969-8326

Albany Office
Room 818
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-4404

simanowitzm@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblyman Frank Skartados
District Office
154 North Plank Road
Suite 2
Newburgh, NY 12550
845-562-0888
Fax: 845-561-5218

Albany Office
LOB 325
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5762
Fax: 518-455-5593

Assemblyman James Skoufis
District Office
Temporary District Office
1012 Little Britain Road
New Windsor, NY 12553
845-567-3141

Albany Office
LOB 534
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-5441

SkoufisJ@assembly.state.ny.us

Assemblymember Al Stirpe
District Office
5711 South Bay Road
Cicero, NY 13039
315-452-1115

Albany Office
LOB 656
Albany, NY 12248
518-455-4505

StirpeA@assembly.state.ny.us

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Joe Jiminez,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:38:27 PM
	Im not sure if this is being taken out of context or not what does the rest of it say? becuse im sure if any reptile could cause harm and it was a felony they couldnt sell them in pet stores. I feel like they might just be talking about like "real" wild animals and venomous reptiles. I know when I was living in CT they passed something that people couldnt own Dart Frogs because they were poisoness but once it was proved that they werent it was overturned

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:38:37 PM
	Well that's pretty damn vaguely written.

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:40:43 PM
	Link.

Joe Jiminez,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:50:59 PM
	ok so from Georges link I had to look up

Joe Jiminez,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:51:57 PM


Joe Jiminez,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:52:17 PM
	why the hell does this not work?

Joe Jiminez,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 1:53:15 PM
	http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/nycode/ENV/11/1/11-0103

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:00:00 PM
	(5) All reptiles that are venomous by nature, pursuant to department regulation, and the following species and orders: Burmese Python (Python m. bivittatus), Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus), African Rock Python (Python sabae), Green Anaconda (Eunectes maurinus), Yellow Anaconda (Eunectes notaeus), Australian Amethystine Python (Morelia amethistina and Morelia kinghorni), Indian Python (Python molurus), Asiatic (water) Monitor (Varanus salvator), Nile Monitor (Varanus nilocitus), White Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis), Black Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis ionides) and Crocodile Monitor (Varanus salvadori), Komodo Dragon (Varanus komodensis) and any hybrid thereof, (6) Crocodylia.

Sonja K. ,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:12:31 PM
	This leads to more info.

KCB Constrictors,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:31:18 PM
	George, you've just quoted the reptiles section of the Wild Animals definition that's already on the books. This new proposed bill states "wild animals and reptiles," meaning everything on the wild animal list + anything that is a reptile. This effectively supercedes the reptiles on the wild animal list with a blanket ban on all reptiles. It is, without doubt, the most poorly written piece of bacon I've ever read.

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:49:34 PM
	From the proposed bill A2869: FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "[Wild] WILD animal" [within the meaning of this section, shall not include a dog or cat or other domestic animal] IS DEFINED IN ACCORDANCE TO PARAGRAPH E OF SUBDIVISION SIX OF SECTION 11-0103 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW. And here is paragraph E of SECTION 11-0103 OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION LAW N.Y. ENV. LAW § 11-0103 : NY Code - Section 11-0103: Definitions

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:49:59 PM
	crap

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:51:10 PM
	N.Y. ENV. LAW § 11-0103 : NY Code - Section 11-0103: Definitions

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:51:31 PM
	N.Y. ENV. LAW § 11-0103 : NY Code - Section 11-0103: Definitions

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:51:45 PM


George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:54:34 PM
	e. "Wild animal" shall not include "companion animal" as defined in section three hundred fifty of the agriculture and markets law. Wild animal includes, and is limited to, any or all of the following orders and families: (1) Nonhuman primates and prosimians, (2) Felidae and all hybrids thereof, with the exception of the species Felis catus (domesticated and feral cats, which shall mean domesticated cats that were formerly owned and that have been abandoned and that are no longer socialized, as well as offspring of such cats) and hybrids of Felis catus that are registered by the American Cat Fanciers Association or the International Cat Association provided that such cats be without any wild felid parentage for a minimum of five generations, (3) Canidae (with the exception of domesticated dogs and captive bred fennec foxes (vulpes zerda)), (4) Ursidae, (5) All reptiles that are venomous by nature, pursuant to department regulation, and the following species and orders: Burmese Python (Python m. bivittatus), Reticulated Python (Python reticulatus), African Rock Python (Python sabae), Green Anaconda (Eunectes maurinus), Yellow Anaconda (Eunectes notaeus), Australian Amethystine Python (Morelia amethistina and Morelia kinghorni), Indian Python (Python molurus), Asiatic (water) Monitor (Varanus salvator), Nile Monitor (Varanus nilocitus), White Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis), Black Throat Monitor (Varanus albigularis ionides) and Crocodile Monitor (Varanus salvadori), Komodo Dragon (Varanus komodensis) and any hybrid thereof, (6) Crocodylia.

Sonja K. ,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:54:44 PM
	Uh oh... I hear you screaming! I feel your pain, George! Happens to me when I cut and paste using Chrome.

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 2:57:59 PM
	Finally. Anyway feel free to correct me if I'm reading something wrong. But from the way I'm putting this together, the wording in the proposed bill "IS DEFINED IN ACCORDANCE TO PARAGRAPH E OF SUBDIVISION SIX OF SECTION 11-0103" would mean this: (6) Crocodylia. I'm not reading this as "all" reptiles. But I am quite hungover. And Sonja will corect me if I'm wrong.

Sonja K. ,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 3:00:31 PM
	Correct is spelt with two "r"s... or did you mean that other part?

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 3:03:37 PM
	I'm still hungover Sonja give me a break.

KCB Constrictors,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 3:54:13 PM
	George, the term "WILD ANIMAL" is defined in accordance to paragraph e of subdivision six of section 11-0103. But the bill doesn't prohibit just the possession of WILD ANIMALS. It clearly states that it prohibits the possession of wild animals (as defined) AND REPTILES. This wording makes it such that everything on the list you quoted is included, PLUS anything that falls under the category of REPTILE.

SapphireTigress,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 4:23:16 PM
	Thats very vague and confusing

George H. Wessel VII,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 5:01:07 PM
	Ok so is it all reptiles? Or reptiles as defined in the code?

KCB Constrictors,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 5:59:29 PM
	All reptiles. As written, it can't mean anything else. And if they intend anything else , it needs to be rewritten.

Aaron Florian,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 10:54:20 PM
	I'll take Penis Mightier for $400.

Joe Jiminez,	Posted At: 2/4/2013 10:57:28 PM
	Haha Aaron I was going to do that earlier but I decided to behave

KCB Constrictors,	Posted At: 2/5/2013 7:57:54 AM
	Friends fanboys, eh? >.>

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