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'09 Kingsnake, price estimate?
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I am wondering if anyone could give me an estimate of what an '09 California x Mexican Black Kingsnake would be priced at. Just wondering what a fair price would be. Thanks.
Note: I am not looking to sell, possibly considering buying one, long story. Not a hybrid (if it is considered that) fan so much, but that's another issue.
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11/8/2009 8:37:36 PM
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Carusima
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Why even buy a hybrid? Snakes are supposed to be bred in their own lines, not crossed. There are a few exceptions that happen naturally, but these don't. There is no point in that. A normal 09 Cal King would cost aout $30 and a MBK would cost $40 (going off prices I see here in Texas). So a cross would be worth $25-$35.
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Author Comment
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11/8/2009 8:53:35 PM
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erikapi
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Thanks. I am not really supportive of hybrids, but it is not a snake from a breeder, but unless I decide to get it I don't feel it is necessary to explain it, it isn't relevant.
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Assisted Answer
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11/8/2009 9:27:12 PM
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FyreFocks
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Im going to disagree with Carusimas pricing. Not that i dont appreciate her experience, but in mine, most hybrids are more than the cost of pure species babies would be. Personally, i wouldnt pay more than the cost of what a pure baby would, but i probably wouldnt buy one in the first place. Your perogative is of course your own, so do what you will, but you shouldnt shell out a lot of money for this.
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Member Comment
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11/8/2009 9:48:10 PM
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Carusima
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Most hybrids are more of the cost, for example boas. A Hog X Columbian cross is priced inbetween $60 for the Common and $80 for the Hog. But if it's a morph then it is more than both a Common boa or a normal Hog Island because of all the other "morphs" it produces. Expecially when it's pastel or hypo, like a sunset. Certain Carpet Pythons are the same, but a full Bredli will always be higher than a cross with it. Ball Pythons are the only circumstance that I've ALWAYS seen high prices for crosses, everything else just depends on what it's crossed with and if a morph is involved. Kingsnake mixes that are not morphs (which are common) or Ratsnake/cornsnake hybrids are not, they're mid to lower prices.
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Author Comment
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11/8/2009 9:55:59 PM
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erikapi
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Thanks. I guess it seems like I should explain. It is a snake on craigslist. It has not received any care in the past month due to the owner having a medical issue and someone else is rehoming them for the owner with their permission. They are not sure about the pricing for the snake and I am just trying to get an idea myself so I know whether or not to accept the price they decide on, if I decide to get the snake that is. I like kings, haven't owned a snake myself, but have had experience with them at a previous job and am comfortable with them. Personally, I'm not a fan of hybrids, but it is a snake that is in need of a home and has been listed a few times, so it isn't like I'm jumping at it the first time it is offered.
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Member Comment
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11/9/2009 12:07:31 AM
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Carusima
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If it's a snake in need then that's fine, I've taken in more than my fair share of rescues, hybrids or not. As long as they give you a reasonable price around the $30 range since it is an 09 and it hasn't been taken care of, then go for it to get it out of there. Just don't end up breeding it.
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Assisted Answer
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11/9/2009 1:58:45 AM
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Geckofactor
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At a show you're looking at getting between 30 - 40 bucks retail maybe 50 at the most and that's if it's in good health and decent looking. As for hybrids I'm a hybrib fan it's all relative if you are up front about the fact an animal is a hybrid I see no problem with it in captivity. Some hybrids fetch huge price tags bateaters, batwings, superballs, gaboon x rhino vipers fetch more than a normal gabby or rhino usually and that's anaturally occuring morph. Hybrids are pretty much set by how hard it is to get the snakes to cross and who does it first and sets the bar. Obviously getting a cali and mexican king to cross isn't too hard so the price is very similar and it's really popular to make hybrids of all those types of snakes now as well as king and corn crosses.
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Assisted Answer
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11/9/2009 12:23:18 PM
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bwaffa
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The snake cross in question would not be a hybrid (species A x species B), but an unnatural intergrade (species A, subspecies A x species A, subspecies B). Some consider this "less bad" than a full-blown mutt hybrid, but it's still not a natural representation of the species. Or even a natural representation of recessive phenotypes that could be unlocked from that species' genome. There are beautiful examples of both naturally ocurring subspecies. Why pay more for less?
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11/9/2009 3:28:49 PM
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Member Comment
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11/9/2009 6:56:01 PM
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zachrfields
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a cali king and mexican black hybrid can happen in the wild, ive seen both in san diego
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Member Comment
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11/9/2009 7:19:41 PM
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bwaffa
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Sony -- I intend to slap you when we finally meet. Shortly before buying a round. :)
Zach -- actually that seems entirely plausible, so if you're right I stand corrected. In that case this would be simply an "intergrade," not technically a hybrid. I'd love to see a picture if you've got one!
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Assisted Answer
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11/9/2009 11:07:05 PM
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aSnakeLovinBabe
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I would say crosses like that would be worth a bit less than pure hatchlings, simply because the offspring will not be all that spectacularly different. There is no color involved so you are likely to get... well, black and white snakes... kind of like...well, california kingsnakes! Probably a pattern that you could already find in a pure cali king since, heck they come in EVERY combination of black and white you could think of! When you cross snakes and they produce AWESOME looking babies, they will sell for more. When you cross snakes and you get really average looking babies (this generally happens when you breed closely related species/subspecies) they will often sell for less because not only do they look rather average, they are no longer even pure. It's kind of like how the 4 way cross kingsnakes are starting to just sit now...because even though they have all those different species in them, they look exactly like banded cali kings with weird shaped heads! And since many people terribly overprice those specimens, they don't sell anymore because many people are starting to put more value in true-to-species phenotypes. Why buy a banded looking hybrid "thing" when you can get a 100% pure cali king for half the price? Bear in mind, I don't have anything against hybrids as long as they are honestly and perfectly represented. Unfortunately, that doesn't always happen because a lot of people are not as meticulous and accurate as one should be when dealing with snakes and especially crossing species/subspecies.
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Member Comment
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11/10/2009 12:01:51 PM
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Author Comment
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11/15/2009 8:05:55 PM
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erikapi
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Well, it turns out they were asking $50 and I offered around $20, since I am not going to pay $50 for a snake that hasn't been touched or cared for in a month. I never heard back, so I am assuming they found someone to pay what they wanted. Thanks to everyone for all of the help.
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