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Q: I Found IBD...
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BitterSweet

The news came back today and it made my heart drop.
One of my husband's Red Tails died recently, he had only owned him for a year, but had made it through quarentine. While my husband ws in basic training for the army, his Peruvian became ill. The snake was quickly diagnosed with an infection and given antibiotics. Slowly he began to keep food down and gain weight back. 
Mind you, before the nset of the infection, Ash, the snake, was caged in the same room the rest of my husband's stock. Including 15 other snakes (a carpet, a king, red tails, and balls) After the infection was caught, Ash was moved into the enclosed garage, where my snakes were being quarentined before introducing them to his. 
After Ash's death, a necropsy was preformed. The resaults came back today: the cause of death was IBD. 

I believe it is safe to presume our combined collection on death's row. I am not hadling it well. I will not be selling any of my snakes as previously anticipated. I do however nedd a few questions answered, and I will be posting this as a forum as well:

1) is it trasmittable to human? Birds? Or Mammals?
2) Are there any tests that can be done to find out if the rest of our stock is infected?
3) Is it trasmittable to my other reptiels, such as bearded dragons or my tortoise?

I really appreciate you help in this tough time for my husband and I.
 

I apologise for the re-post, I didnt know that acceptin an answer removed the post. I did want to say thank you to Bwaffa for all his advice. His response helped the most. It is saddening to know that most of the knowledge of this subjet is gained form experience. But we all must learn in one or another.


Points: 150
Topics: Infectious Disease
Tags: Contagious, IBD, Quarantine, Transmission
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Member Comment 9/12/2008 9:50:34 PM

jbt123
OMG, I am so sorry...I dont think it is transmittable to anything but other reptiles, and perhaps only specifically snakes.

I hope someone posts more info soon, and I hope that not all of your collection has it!
 
Author Comment 9/13/2008 11:47:47 PM

BitterSweet
i will be posting an update blog shortly.
 
Member Comment 9/14/2008 1:48:22 PM

snakechaarmer
All of your snakes can have a liver biopsy performed to see if they carry the IBD retrovirus. That is the only true way, other than necropsy, to confirm infection. Sadly, as the cause of transmission is still mostly unknown, its very hard to say if the rest of your collection has it or not. It is not transmittable to humans or other animals except reptiles. Good luck, hopefully nobody else in your collection has it. If they do, the pythons are generally the first to go - within a month they normally will expire if they are infected with IBD. Boas can house the virus for years without showing any symptoms.
 
Member Comment 9/15/2008 5:55:13 AM

MegF
So sorry to hear of your loss and potential loss of the rest of your collection.  It's especially heartbreaking when you take the time to quarantine and still end up with it.  Hopefully the rest of your animals will remain free of the disease.  It is not transmittable to turtles or lizards as far as I know.  Pythons and boas are most sensitive to it although it has proved fatal to colubrids as well. They seem to have some resistance to the disease.
 
Accepted Answer 9/16/2008 12:14:03 AM

aaron
Tobie, first off, I’m exceptionally sorry about your loss. This is only the beginning, and yes, I understand where you are coming from. I’ve had a run in with a snake that looked like IBD, and when my mind wrapped around that, I was devastated. However, I ended up rationalizing away that if I got IBD (well, my snakes) I would do my damndest to turn it into something positive. You can do the same.
 
IBD is one of the scariest diseases … really no known cause, definitely no cure, and expensive to do liver biopsies, especially when they are not 100%. However, all is not lost.
 
It really depends what you are doing with your collection. If you are building up breeding stock, then getting something like IBD can put a quick end to that. You effectively have to start over.
 
However, if you have the time, and the patience … that’s another story.
 
When I had an animal that was stargazing, I absolutely freaked out. I keep a pretty “closed” collection anymore, few animals come in or go out for months at a time. They get quarantined within reason (not separate buildings or anything, but separate utensils, isolated, blah blah blah)… So the timing for me to have something like IBD was all wrong. But, the symptom was there (and snakes can only exhibit so many “sick” symptoms, so other things look like other things).
 
Basically, I only have chondros. And I breed them, and sell them (occasionally) and that’s all well and good, but it’s not my “business.” So if I were to get IBD, a lot of people would just say, “oh well, you’ll have to start over” and then euthanize the collection.
 
To me, that simply wouldn’t be an option.
 
I figure, there are two ways to turn all of this into a positive:
 
1.)     Work with a lab, donate the animals, and try to get some positive research to come out of the unfortunate loss
2.)     Document everything as precisely as possible, and hang onto the collection as long as possible.
 
If #1 were to be an option (like, finding someone who would do it), I’d probably go that route. But assuming I couldn’t find anyone, for me, the breeding and selling isn’t as important as the animals themselves. With such little known about this disease, I would have a hard time “carte-blanche” wiping everything out, even animals that are fine, based upon the paucity of information we have about IBD.
 
I would have no problem shutting down my collection as it is for two years, five years, whatever, and potentially wait for a test that is 100% accurate, a cure to the disease, or whatever is coming down the road. To me, that is a much more viable alternative than starting over.
 
Do everything you can to get all of your animals in your collection on iHerp, and track the hell out of them. That is a start, and make sure to put comments in. There are very few people who will actually talk about IBD, because of the nature of it. It’s a big mystical killer, and I think some people are afraid they will be *unshun* Shunned *reshun* if they say anything…
 
Information is huge with this disease. Since you’ve gotten a positive diagnosis, you can be a GREAT help to the community by documenting this with accurate timelines, symptoms, etc. Keep everything clean as you can, and maybe you can dodge anyone else contracting it, but a case study like this has not been done here, and with the tracking information available, well … I think despite how hard this is, you really can make something good come out of this. A lot is perspective, if you feel like turning this into something beneficial for the hobby and business of reptiles, start talking to vets, labs, send them iHerp tracking links, and you might be able to be pivotal in gathering information that is sorely needed about this disease.
 
Best of luck to you, THANK YOU so much for sharing this… and let me know if I can help in any way.
 
Member Comment 9/17/2008 8:46:02 PM

Stigma
first off i can totaly feel for u on this...i lost a baby bci to ibd about a year ago and i was VERY upset about it...here is a better url to answer more of your questions..

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/Haltung/IBDEng.htm

this explains alot more about the chances of your other snakes extracting the virus... and what u can do to prevent it....

GOOD LUCK!!!
 
Member Comment 9/30/2009 12:09:46 PM

dalvers63

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