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Ball Python x Carpet Python?
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In Relation To:
El Snako or Hugz
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 hey iv have heard you can cross breed a carpet python with a ball python 2 make carpetball morphs i was just wondering if anyone on here has had sucssess with it and how hard is it to do
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Accepted Answer
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9/22/2008 8:15:28 PM
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ChrisMontgomery
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i know that it has been done by a few breeders. i first saw pics of them on Yasser's forum: www.hybridhaven.net this site was generated just for people who want to discuss hybrid species without being looked down on by anti-hybrid keepers.
they are quite a controversy among python breeders. i think most people are tolerant and keep to others who share their views on such things.
some of the sharpest debates on this subject can be found on www.moreliapythons.com which is a site where all carpet keepers go at some point, some of the most knowlegeable folks in pythons can be found here.
by the way, carpetXballs can be very attractive :) look them up! i haven't seen any here on iHerp.
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9/22/2008 11:38:57 PM
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gfx
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You can breed a poodle to a pit bull too...but why would you? ;)
To each their own.. :)
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9/22/2008 11:56:01 PM
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tmth
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It is possible but from what I understand is a bit more difficult to get them to breed successfully...
Its really not something to do if you're looking for a quick buck- there isn't much of a market for them. Too controversial for now, it seems.
I think carpalls are pretty cool looking and with the tons of different morphs out there for balls, it could prove to make some interesting combinations. Balls are too 'chubby' for me.. I like my slender carpets. :P
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9/23/2008 12:18:15 PM
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Kaiyudsai
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It's funny...alot of people do this to get more money....but I constantly see hybrids on sale on kingsnake that don't sell.......... People expect to sell these snakes for the same price that high end investment morphs go for.......but hybrids are a poor investment....you're really unlikely to get any return on it....with the low fertility and deformed baies and such.........IMO i think these crosses are unethical........I know people who had to have seveal babies put down because they sere all kinked up(reticXburmese).......... if we're gonna do that than we might as well start crossing chimps with people(Oh yeah that's been done already in the Soviet Union)
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9/23/2008 6:43:50 PM
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TVR
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It can be done but in my opinion are the ugliest of the carpet hybrids that have hatched and a nomal ball or normal carpet look much better. The only hybrid I have seen that I would spend any money on would be a jagpondro. The others look ugly to me.
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9/23/2008 7:25:06 PM
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bwaffa
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Two hybrid questions in an equal number of days... of course it HAD to happen in the middle of midterms week!
I have a lot to say on the subject, but can't get into it all now. I'll stick with the short version. Hybridizing snake species is one of the very WORST practices we keepers can be engaging in from a conservation standpoint. Private keepers are the last hope for most declining reptile species (another future blog post). Deeply inbred designer morphs are problematic enough; why butcher millions of years of an evolutionary lineage... just to produce something that looks "cool"?
I'm approaching the issue from the population level with an eye toward conservation. Kai raised two other great points, it's unethical from an animal welfare standpoint -- hatchlings from hybrid clutches are often born with permanent defects that affect quality of life; sometimes they fail to thrive entirely. It's also a foolhardy and impractical endeavor from a financial standpoint. Very few respectable herpetoculturalists will support hybrid breeding projects, especially from such distant lineages. You're likely to find yourself two seasons down the road with a dozen unsold "carpalls" who refuse food and need periodic veterinary attention.
Do the right thing for your animals.
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9/23/2008 7:48:55 PM
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TVR
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I wouldnt buy any for the price they are listed at but if they dropped I would definately own an carpondro and jagpondro. iI dont see how it is the WORST practice for keepers. A carpet bred to a gtp, ball, woma or whatever else they try is not going to make their animals unhealthy. It's going to make them unpure, which most carpets are anyways unless you have written documents to proove they are coastal, jungle..... I am a member of 2 morelia forums with quite a few hybrid breeders on there and their babies seem to be growing and feeding just like any other snake and have never heard that they need periodic veterinary care.
As long as they are labeled correctly when sold then I say let them do what they want with their snakes. If you dont like it dont buy it, but it's their snakes and as long as the animals are being cared for properly and they're not labeling them as pure then I dont see anything wrong with it.
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9/23/2008 7:49:04 PM
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TVR
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I wouldnt buy any for the price they are listed at but if they dropped I would definately own an carpondro and jagpondro. iI dont see how it is the WORST practice for keepers. A carpet bred to a gtp, ball, woma or whatever else they try is not going to make their animals unhealthy. It's going to make them unpure, which most carpets are anyways unless you have written documents to proove they are coastal, jungle..... I am a member of 2 morelia forums with quite a few hybrid breeders on there and their babies seem to be growing and feeding just like any other snake and have never heard that they need periodic veterinary care.
As long as they are labeled correctly when sold then I say let them do what they want with their snakes. If you dont like it dont buy it, but it's their snakes and as long as the animals are being cared for properly and they're not labeling them as pure then I dont see anything wrong with it.
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9/23/2008 10:38:57 PM
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Zythen
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I've think I've seen this argument on every snake forum I've ever been on. It's right up there with the arguments of cohabitation. Some like the idea, some hate it and some are neutral. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I personally own a triple cross and I know the person who sold it to me is going for 5. These are Colubrids that I'm talking about. When I say 5 I mean 5 species, it will only be 3 genus. (2)Pituophis/(2)Elaphe/(1)Lampropeltis
Maybe in the Boid or Python family there are issues that I'm not aware of but a lot of people cross within the Colubrid genus with no issues.
Just my opinion, I don't impose upon anyone.
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9/23/2008 11:41:17 PM
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tmth
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Now I'm actually pro carpondros.. I love the look of them and both carpet pythons and green tree pythons are very closely related-- the fact that they can reproduce and a mix between the two of them is NOT sterile (unlike horses and donkeys- you get a mule which cannot reproduce) gives this. I highly highly doubt that people aren't going to want either carpets or chondros just because you can cross the two. The hybrid is genetically sound- though, you do have to be careful on the Jaguar end just because of the potential neurological problems.
If you cross a carpet with a chondro, you know that its a mix. You won't have anyone trying to sell them as pure chondros or pure carpets- if they try, its not going to work. When you start to get into interbreeding to the point where you can't tell whether its a pure single species or not, thats when people start to get concerned. Carpalls do look a lot more like ball pythons and carpets.. and its a bit easier to confuse the two. Like TVR said- if people are being ethical and labeling the animal correctly, we shouldn't have a problem.
The other thing to consider is that neither carpets or chondros are endangered species.. conservation is important but the captive population is not vital to that.
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10/6/2008 7:40:29 PM
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10/5/2009 12:11:07 PM
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dalvers63
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Author Comment
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10/5/2009 1:06:59 PM
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Mintsiez
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hey thanks to everyone that answered sorry for the long wait for points i totally forgot i left this open
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Member Comment
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9/21/2014 8:28:49 AM
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lewis
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Looking to cross my jungle carpet with a mojave ball soon.. any tips out there?
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9/21/2014 8:50:12 AM
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bwaffa
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Yes: spare us all and don't do it.
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