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Corn Snake Caresheet
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Below is a caresheet, any comments on how to make it better?
Corn Snake Care Sheet
Corn Snakes:
Corn snakes are on of the most popular pet snakes in the world. They are ideally suited to life in captivity. Corns are calm, easily handled, simply cared for, and easily bred snakes. They commonly grow to between 3.5 and 5 feet in length, and weigh between 300 and 600 grams. This size makes the snakes easy to house as well as handle. Corn snakes are wonderful pets, and with a wide variety of color morphs available, they can suit anyone's preferences.
A Note about A newly bought Corn Snake:
After being moved to a new home, corn snakes need a few days to settle down from the stress of transportation, and settle in to there new home. Leave the new snake alone in its new vivarium for at least 3 days before handling or feeding it. Following that time period, you may handle your new pet and offer it its first meal, as described below.
Housing:
A hatchling corn snake may be comfortable in a 12” by 8” cage for the first few months of its life, but will soon require more room to roam. A 20 gallon long terrarium is generally considered the minimum size cage to house an adult corn snake. If possible, providing a larger terrarium is always recommended. If you are housing a small hatchling in a large cage, remember that many hatchlings are cautious of wide open spaces, and may be less inclined to explore the cage and generally show off. Including many hides and extra foliage in the set up will hopefully encourage your hatchling to venture out more often.
Most cages of the appropriate size will work very well as corn snake enclosures. A terrarium made entirely of screen should be avoided. The large amount of ventilation can cause problems when trying to maintain the correct temperature and humidity levels. This is not to say that in certain circumstances, screen enclosures can't be used successfully, but it may take more planning to keep a healthy corn in such an enclosure.
Another thing to look for in a cage is security. Corn snakes are great escape artists. Corns can sneak out of surprisingly small holes. Make sure screens are fine enough to contain the snake, and look for any holes around the edge of the tank meant for wiring that may be too large. These can be easily plugged if necessary. Corns can also easily lift an insecure lid from a tank. Weighing down the top is not a particularly good way of preventing escapes. Buy clips if you have to, or find a cage who's door latches into place.
The last, and probably one of the most important requirements for housing corn snakes is that you must never house multiple snakes in one enclosure. The list of negative results is long, and includes premature breeding (which can be deadly), unnecessary stress, and cannibalism. Corns are not social creatures, and do not need a “companion” to be content. He risks involved with cohabitation easily out weigh the few benefits.
Substrate, water, and cage furniture:
Corn snakes require a substrate that will absorb liquids to prevent bacteria growth, and will be harmless to the snake. The preferred substrate by many breeders and keepers is shredded aspen, but multiple layers of newspaper, coconut based beddings such as Eco Earth, some other shredded woods, and many commercial beddings work well too. Do NOT use pine, cedar, fir, gravel or sand as they can be very harmful to the snake, especially if ingested.
Corn snakes need to have a water bowl in their enclosure, preferably big enough for the snake to curl up and soak in. City tap water is often chlorinated, and because this can be harmful to the snake, it needs to be de-chlorinated before use. Other than this, there is no reason not to use your drinking water for your snake as well. Do not use distilled water as it does not contain the necessary minerals to keep the snake healthy. The water should be changed twice a week, and when ever it has been dirtied.
Corns enjoy small, dark hides where they can get away from the intimidating openness of a glass terrarium. Always provide two hides, one above the warm end of the tank, and one on the cold end. This will allow the snake to feel secure and at the same time thermo-regulate. Extra cover for hatchlings, as mentioned earlier, is important to make the young snake feel secure.
The above items are only what is required to keep a corn snake healthy and happy. Pieces of wood or rocks for climbing, fake plants, and many other items are well suited to a corn's home, and are welcome additions to any set up.
Heating and Humidity:
The preferred method for heating a corn snake’s cage is by using an under-tank heater (UTH). The UTH should cover a quarter to a third of the bottom of the tank. This limited warm space allows the snake to thermo-regulate between the warm and cool end of its tank. Many UTHs can heat up to well above a corn snake's comfort range. To prevent the snake from being burned, a thermostat or rheostat should be used to keep the temperature of the heating pad reasonable. Keeping the warmest point above the heater at 85 degrees Fahrenheit is ideal. The cool side needs no heating and should preferably be in the mid 70’s, although if it drops below this, the snakes don't seem to be bothered.
Along with a UTH, many people wonder if a heat lamp or lighting is required for their corn snake. Corn snakes don't need additional lighting of any kind, and a UTH provides all the heating necessary. If you would like, you can light the cage for better viewing, but make sure to shut of the lights for a period of time each day to allow for a day and night cycle.
The humidity in a corn snake’s cage should stay around 35%, but anywhere from 20% to 50% is absolutely fine. For the most part, you do not need to worry about humidity in the terrarium. Excessively high or low humidity should be avoided if possible. If the humidity is especially low, provide a container of damp sphagnum moss or paper towels so that the snake can find a humid spot to hide in, and to help with shedding. With high humidity, air out the cage, set up a fan, or do what ever else you can to lower the humidity to a more suitable level.
Feeding:
Hatchling corn snakes are fed as often as once every 4 to 5 days, while adults only need a meal every 7 to 10 days. Frozen mice and rats are the preferred food item for corn snakes. Hatchlings will take pinky mice, the smallest available size. As the snake grows, it would be offered larger food items. The general rule of thumb for judging the proper size, is that the food item should be 1 to 1.5 times the diameter of the snake at its widest point. As you feed the snake larger items, you should offer them the food less often. By the time the snake is taking small or weaned mice, the meals should be 7 days apart. If the snake is gaining excess weight feedings should be spread out even more. A fat snake shows skin between its scales, or has what many call “hips”. Hips are a sudden narrowing of the body at the tail. Feedings can be given as seldom as once every 2 or 3 weeks.
Feeding should occur a dusk, when corns are naturally more active and looking for food. The snake should be removed from his cage a put in a small container, like a plastic shoe box or Tupperware. The frozen mouse needs to be heated in hot tap water until completely thawed and warm. Drop the mouse into the snake's container, and leave the snake alone in a dim room for at least 15 minutes. If the snake has not started eating, simply leave it alone for another 15 minutes or half an hour. Once the snake has finished swallowing, and the mouse has moved a third of the way down its body, gently move the corn back into its tank.
After feeding, a snake needs time to digest the large meal. Do not disturb the snake for 48 hours. After this time the snake has digested the mouse and can be handled like normal.
Breeding:
Breeding corn snakes is a great, rewarding experience, but also requires a lot of time and energy to do right. It’s a thrill to see the first little snake noses poking out of an egg, and caring for hatchlings is extraordinarily entertaining. All this said, hatchlings are time consuming, and one must have a large knowledge base in case something goes wrong. If you are interested in breeding corn snakes, buy one of the books recommended below, and read and reread the breeding section. The one bit of information to know right away is that corn snakes should not be bred before they are 3 years old, 300 grams, and 3 feet long. This rule can be stretched for males. For females, if two of the three criteria fit the snake may very well be able to breed, but care should be taken to make sure the snake is ready. Premature breeding, whether accidental or purposeful, can cause serious health issues and even death. Do your research, and should run into no problems and have tons of fun.
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9/23/2008 3:17:19 AM
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Eclipse
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Very detailed and thought out.Great Job.
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9/23/2008 10:05:01 AM
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FyreFocks
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The only thing that concerns me is the recommendation of the UTH. Some people swear by them, some people wont ever use them. I used to tell people to use them. I used to use them. But then someone i recommended it to returned a month later and their snake was completely burnt on the belly. They caught it early, luckily, and the snake ended up ok. But i stopped recommending them to people.
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Author Comment
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9/23/2008 1:16:38 PM
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Jimmysan00
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Well if people have temperature probes and thermostats or a rheostat then that won't happen. That's not the UTH's fault, i wouldn't blame yourself either. I'd say it was the snake owners error. Without a rheostat or thermostat the temps on the bottom glass can reach 110 degrees, which will burn a snake. I don't let my glass get over 87 degrees ever. And i haven't had any problems.
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Member Comment
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9/26/2008 10:08:13 PM
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Saffleur
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You know you should give credit where credit is due...
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64125&highlight=Caresheet&page=2
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9/27/2008 8:39:29 AM
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MegF
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Great care sheet. I wouldn't put the all screen cages as a problem due to humidity. I would put it due to them rubbing their faces raw on it...especially males during breeding season. There is not a whole lot of need for exact temps and humidity with a corn. Believe me...in S. Carolina where they are found, temps and humidity are all over the place and they do just fine. Keeping it within reason...as in whatever a normal human being would enjoy as far as temps and humidity should be sufficient. As far as the UTH incindent, I agree with Jimmy. A UTH if regulated will not get hot enough to burn a snake. Unless it malfunctions or the person does not regulate it, then they work perfectly. You can kill a snake with an unregulated heat lamp too, but people don't seem to worry about that.
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 2:31:53 AM
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tricksterpup
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Jimmy, can you please post your references on this.
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9/28/2008 10:24:30 AM
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9/28/2008 2:49:17 PM
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tricksterpup
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Did you get the breeder's permission to quote his work here?
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Author Comment
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9/28/2008 4:34:42 PM
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9/28/2008 8:14:48 PM
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PJCReptiles
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Jimmysan00,
I just sent an E-mail to the person who made this care sheet and you better hope he did give you his permission. If for some reason he did allow you to post HIS care sheet why in hell would you post the guys phone number in an open forum? If he wanted people to have it he would have posted it on his web site. The problem with you is the fact that you think you are some kind of snake expert because you have had one snake for about four months. All you do is go from forum to forum repeatedly regurgitating information that other members of those sites have posted and basically claiming it as your own. I know for a fact, by the way you were replying to posts on this thread, that you would have been more then happy to claim this as your work unless Tricksterpup made you claim your sources. I know the person very who made this care sheet and I will be damned if you hurt/mar/damage his name in the herp community. As I have posted on several other forums, you are nothing but a troll. All you do is take up valuable bandwith and forum members time with your useless rhetoric. You think you knwo so much when in fact you know very little. You really need to do some serious research and educate yourself. Word to the wise : You should learn to be the student instead of trying to be the teacher. You are a fake and a poser and have no right passing on any information. It is because of kids like you that hurt the herp communtity by passing on bogus information and making people believe it is fact. You really need to give it up, honestly.
Jay
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 8:16:38 PM
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PJCReptiles
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Another thing I just noticed. How dare you ask others for input on how to make a care sheet better when in fact it is not your care sheet to begin with. You are a joke kid, just a joke.
Jay
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 8:24:24 PM
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FyreFocks
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Wow. Reptile police please slow down. I didnt see any posts where he claimed to have written this. So he didnt immediately make it clear that he didnt write. I knew he didnt. It seemed to me like he was just asking if it could be made better. Just my 2 cents guys.
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 8:27:59 PM
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Saffleur
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like he was doing that. Even the last paragraph states a list of books. He didn't post the books that were in the post I originally asked about when he posted this.
It's not a matter of him not making it clear or not. He is known to do this. urther more he was complimented by two individuals and had more than ample opportunity to say that he had found the care sheet somewhere else.
Sometimes I think people shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt, this is one of them.
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Author Comment
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9/28/2008 8:28:31 PM
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Jimmysan00
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I asked the source and he said it was fine for me to post it anywhere i liked, and he appriciated it. Also i would like to add that she said i could post his name, website, and phone number so he could get free advertisment, Not to mention you are not the law of the internet herp community. Thank you Fyre Focks for the back up and your 2 cents. This Jay guy has had it out for me for awhile, and is stalking me for some reason.
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Author Comment
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9/28/2008 8:30:57 PM
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Jimmysan00
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I never took credit for wirting this, and posted my source, and i was told to use the caresheet and spread it wherever i wanted. I did nothing wrong, so it would be nice for certain people to get a life and stop trying to control the herp community. You guys and you know who you are try and discredit anyone you can to make yourselves look/feel better but the truth of the matter is your the ones that ruin the herp communities.
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 9:01:24 PM
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PJCReptiles
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I have said my piece and given this forum the warning. If you want this idiot on your boards then you need to deal with him. He has been on many other forums and has been caught doing some shadey stuff. He even went as far as creating multiple user accounts on another forum just so he could give himself rep points. He would post with one account and reply to another. Basically talking to himself and commeding himself on his posts. He was caught doing this and then tried to lie about it. More evidence was given to this fact and he finally didn't come clean until he was completely pressured to do so. The way I see it is like this. You want this guy on your forum you can have him. And, if you want people like this dirtying up your site then I don't need to be part of this community and really don't want to. Jimmy as far as stalking you, you must be kidding. You just don't like the fact that we have found you out for the kind of person that you are and you don't like it when we call your bluff. You are a joke Jimmy, in the true sense of the word. I don't claim to be the herp police but when and if I see something that just isn't right I will voice my opinion. Like I told you on another forum Jimmy. You will reap what you sow! Remeber that one Jimmy? Why don't you tell them all the BS you put members of another site through and then let them make their opinion of you. Wait, forget I asked you to do that as you will only lie about it anyway. Make you a deal Jimmy, this is my last post about you. You stay away from me and I will do the same. Ok IHerp, you wanted him, you got him. Have Fun.
Jay
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 9:25:44 PM
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PJCReptiles
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Sorry that I am posting again even after saying I wouldn't. I just recieved a message from the person who made this care sheet. Here is his reply to what is going on here. Need I say more? Busted Jimmy, busted.
Jay
The following is the reply I got from the author of this caresheet. Now call me the "Herp Police".
Thank you so much for all of this! Jimmy beat you to me actually. He sent me a pm asking if he could use it but never said that he had posted the caresheet nearly a week ago. By the way, I'm fine with him posting my phone number, as that is now my "work" phone, and I myself posted it along with the caresheet.
here is the pm from him i got this mourning.
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Hey man i just wanted to check with you first to see if it would be ok to use your caresheet, and post it on other forums, and i will put you don't as the source as well? I sure you don't mind free advertisement, but i still wanted to ask if it was ok. Thanks
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of course, i said yes if he cites me but had no idea that he had posted the caresheet without my name attached nearly a week ago. in fact, he purposely deleted it, because I include all my information at the end of the caresheet. Of course I'm annoyed about this, but i don't think any harm has been done, luckily. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I may remove the caresheet in .doc form and replace it with pdfs.
As for the thread that jimmysan00 posted, I'm not sure if there's anything more to do. If you could post and explain what the situation really is, that would be great. i will also send him a pm to make sure he understands that no, he hasn't cited me correctly.
And then, just a few minutes ago I received this pm from him:
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Originally Posted by Jimmysan00
Just to give you a heads up, i am also putting down that you are the source, along with your email address, phone number, and website. Jay and some other people have accused me of taking advantage of your caresheet because they saw i posted it on another forum. iherp.com
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I can't believe he sent me that. It is so obvious by this time that he did not have my permission.
I'll send a pm to tricksterpup too sending my thanks
so thank you so much for the help and defense. It was silly for me to assume this wasn't going to happen!
~Turner
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Author Comment
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9/28/2008 10:41:51 PM
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Jimmysan00
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If you look at the other post of the caresheet i posted i have all the source info at the bottom of it. I just assumed it was at the bottom of this one, and later when i was corrected i took care of it asap.
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Author Comment
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9/28/2008 10:50:08 PM
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Jimmysan00
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OH BTW, Jay your not PERFECT by any means! So why don't you stop beating the dead horse and move on with your life. Or do you not have one. Everywhere i go your immature ass is there trying to down me. I forgot to cite 1 out of 4 posts. And the source has talked to me and everything is cleared up, it was a misunderstanding, and a mistake. I remember you posting a NIX Mix snake mite remedy on cs and not putting down the source. OH so your a hypocrite as well, that's cool. Let's not forget to mention i found the source for you, and gave you his information and you still didn't use it. So maybe you should tell people the entire truth instead of just your side of the story. The people here don't need a crying snitch running around trying to slander someones reputation. Thanks and another thing, i spoke to my father was is 45 and he said he'd like to talk to you if possible, because he doesn't believe your a 40 year old man who acts like this over internet forums. I'm half your age dude, and you don't see me stalking you and telling the whole internet community your a dushbag. JW Thanks in advance Jay.
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Member Comment
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9/28/2008 11:48:48 PM
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tricksterpup
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Jimmy,
Why do you need to resort to name calling. In all actuality, you do not have a reputation in this field yet. You only have owned yoru snake for less than 5 months.
As the entire I sited my source I got caught but did you not pay the original person any respect when he posted this to you on 9/02??
[QUOTE=tbtusk]so here it is. Really there are only some minor edits, but there you go. Glad this is helping you out. It should also soon be available on my website for anyone else who would like it.
PLEASE remember to cite me when ever using this information. The first post has a mistake in it that implies otherwise, but I can no longer edit. I'd prefer the citing to be the following:
Thanks[/QUOTE]
And as for being a Snitch?? Can I tell you that these are "Our" friends you are harming. We do protect our own here. Being a "Military Man" that should have been taught to you while you were there, unless you are lieing about that as well.
Remember, its not Jay who is hurting his reputation or yours, its you doing to yourself. He is a very well respected man in the community, internet and his local herp community. You on the other hand we refer to as a newb, no status at all.
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Member Comment
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9/29/2008 12:02:53 AM
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FyreFocks
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Someone made a mistake. It happens. Aaron didnt add this function of the site so you guys could fight like this. There have been some heated discussions before, but nothing like this. And i think its disrespectful to Aaron every time one of you continues this thread. Whatever carried over from prior forums should have been left there. The only thing you guys are doing now is making yourselves look bad. I get an email every time a new post is put up there and its a bit annoying. I post on here to help educate and to learn. I dont post here to watch you fight. Please stop. Thanks
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9/29/2008 12:06:18 AM
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Saffleur
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He didn't make a mistake, that is the problem...it isn't something carried from another site either...it's called a habitual behavior.
I'm all for helping people understand more about whatever herp they want but credit should be given where credit is due. It's that plain and simplt Fyre.
Would you enjoy someone taking things you put your own work into and claiming it for their own? I believe you would not.
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Member Comment
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9/29/2008 12:23:04 AM
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FyreFocks
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If someone actually learned from and in believed enough in something that i said, so much so that they would cite me for it, i think id be grateful whether i was listed as a reference or not. Im not doing this to make a name for myself. I dont post anywhere else and im not a member of any other sites. I like this community of friendly, helpful people. Reading all of that nonsense up there is a waste of my time.
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Member Comment
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9/29/2008 5:08:26 AM
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MegF
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I would have to agree with Fyre Focks. You've had your say Jay, and I really think it's more a personal thing then really having a point to it. Everyone here gets that you don't like Jimmy. Nuf' said. We're mostly grownups here and we can take care of ourselves. We don't need family members bickering. This is not a normal forum like most places. We keep records of our snakes and if we feel like it, we hit up the questions. So, whether we want Jimmy, or you, really isn't the issue. I personally could care less. The sheet is a good one, whoever did it. Kudos to Turner Bohlen at Hot Jupiter Herps for a great caresheet. I'm sure people will find it useful....which is what it's supposed to be! Now, enough! Lets just close this door and move on.
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Member Comment
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9/29/2008 1:15:17 PM
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tricksterpup
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Meg,
I can let it drop its no sweat off my brow, just trying to protect Aaron and this website.
With to many people not citing their sources, could cause Iherp and other forums to shut down if information is not citied on that website.
If this care sheet was not properly cited and if Turner wanted to, he could have brought possible Litigation against this site for allowing his care sheet to be used with out his permission. If not possible Litigation, it would still harm the integrity of Iherp and its members.
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Member Comment
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9/29/2008 2:50:05 PM
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tbtusk
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Hello
I'm so sorry to continue this thread, but I am Turner Bohlen, the writer. Here's my perspective, then we can be done with it.
Yes, Of course I would like to be cited, but i do have to admit that Jimmysan00 didn't actually say it was his caresheet. Of course, he didn't say it was mine either. For anyone who was wondering, the quote from cornsnakes.com where I say "PLEASE remember to cite me when ever using this information. The first post has a mistake in it that implies otherwise, but I can no longer edit. I'd prefer the citing to be the following:..." was actually an edit i added yesturday. Yes the fact that this happened was very annoying, but no harm has been done. What bugs me is being lied to and desieved. Jimmysan00 did ask for my permition yesturday, and if he had explained the situation I would have been absolutely fine with it. He did not. I was lead to believe it was being posted for the first time. Besides this, I'm not very angry about anything that has occured.
If one uses this information to learn, and even to help themselves format their own caresheet, it is fine. No citing necessary. When the whole care sheet is copied from the known writer, namely me, it would be nice if my name stayed attached to it.
As Fyre Frocks said, the point of a caresheet is to share information, so I have esentially done what I hoped to.
So there ya go, no harm done, although it was a little bothersome. Thank you to everyone who complimented the caresheet. I am glad it has recieved a possitive response, and I will be taking into account everyone's suggestions when typing up next year's version.
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Author Comment
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9/29/2008 6:10:20 PM
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Jimmysan00
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Thanks tbtusk, thanks to everyone else here as well that put their 2 cents. It's the interent, stuff happens and i've loved this caresheet from the first time i read it, i hope you can get a lot of business or praise from me posting it to not only this site but 3 others, which all were cited on the same day they were posted. I just missed 1 out of 4, i'm still learning, and i'm not perfect. Thanks for being mature adults here at iHerp, and trying to reason with everyone involved.
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9/29/2008 7:16:07 PM
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MegF
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Turner, Thank you so much for your calm and straightforward response. I think the caresheet is wonderful, and like you, I have one on my site as well. Also like you, I put it there so that people have something to refer to, and I include it with every sale of a snake to a new owner. If it showed up somewhere as yours did, I wouldn't sweat it. If I did have issues, I would certainly take it up with the poster, not the forum....which is an OPEN forum for all. Iherp makes no claims to accuracy or anything else. I'm so sorry this has taken away from a pretty good learning experience.
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