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2/15/2010 6:22:46 PM
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shellboa
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If you can give her the enema then use the mineral oil. I would have suggested that beforebut wasn't sure you had the tools or experience. (no offence) I have used this method on rescues very successfully...I hav had some weird shit come out too ...literally. One time it looked like a bunch of ...dirt with bits of leaf and pine cones etc. dunno how it ate that but as it was a very emaciated snake that eventually had to be put down. Any way I babble... Do the mineral oil, palpate for a minute or two, put her in a nice warm bath for about 30 minutes (keeping it warm) and then palpate some more, don't be afraid to push gently on lumps near the cloaca and see if that helkps. Might take more than one.
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2/15/2010 6:53:56 PM
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iashia
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as of tonight, i dont know how to do it, but tomorrow when i bring her up to the clinic and i get her meds ill learn. i have her in a heated bath right now, and ill probably leave her to soak for an hour or two, then palpate for a bit and let her soak more. the swelling around her vent has gone down a little, mostly because some of the blockage came out. hopefully, this ends well.
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Assisted Answer
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2/15/2010 7:08:16 PM
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Geckofactor
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I'll be very surprised if the vet actually tells you to do reptile enemas on your own. I've rarely seen vets tell owners to do that on their own even with dogs when it's a good bit easier. Only thing you can do is the warm baths, the massaging, the mineral or olive oil, and you can try giving it pedialyte. Obviously don't feed it anything else until the blockage goes away.
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2/15/2010 7:13:36 PM
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iashia
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i can see where it would be a bad idea. if you use too much or insert it wrong, you can really hurt the snake. i dont want to do it, but ill do near anything to save hurricane. of course she wont be eating. that would make everything worse. i dont even think she WILL eat, though i wont test that statement. is oral ingestion of mineral oil bad? im terrified that in the process of my trying to help, im going to make things worse
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2/15/2010 7:19:55 PM
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Geckofactor
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No not in small amounts just don't go crazy with it. I'm talkin like maybe 1/4 of a teaspoon or so at them most I can't see how big the snake is from the picture.
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2/15/2010 7:23:36 PM
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iashia
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she weighed in at 4 pounds and abour 5.5 feet. thickness of a sprite can
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2/15/2010 7:30:20 PM
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Geckofactor
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Yeah I'd try like 1/4 of a teaspoon maybe even a little more if the snake is that big. I don't really feel like working out the math on ml to kg of body weight you won't OD the snake so I'm going to be lazy. Only t hing you'd worry about if you gave it too much is it could regurge but like I said try a small amount to start with.
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2/15/2010 7:35:24 PM
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Geckofactor
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I'd also try the pedialyte though. It comes in handy with reptiles anyways. You can get a $1.50 off coupon from their website or buy the generic kind cause that crap is expensive.
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2/15/2010 10:47:02 PM
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iashia
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and this wont make her sick(er)? orally taking mineral oil
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2/15/2010 10:54:11 PM
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Geckofactor
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No it will not as long as you don't go overboard with it. Mineral oil is a laxative afterall. If you feel better about it you can use olive oil.
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Member Comment
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2/16/2010 12:39:00 AM
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t0neg0d
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1. Place mouth over vent.
2. Suck REALLY hard.
3. (And most important) SPIT!
--Or--
You can ask your vet about using glycerin mixed with the warm water to help lubricate around the blockage as well as mineral oil orally (as Shellboa/Geckofactor suggested).
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2/16/2010 12:44:47 AM
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iashia
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rofl isshy t0neg0d. ill try a little mineral oil tonight. she just finished her shed in her bath and soaked for about 3-4 hours. tried some massaging and gentle pushing. she farted a few times (lol) but no stool or urates. maybe ill wake up in the morning after the mineral oil to some nicley wrapped poo packages
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2/16/2010 5:07:06 PM
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iashia
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no poo this morning. good trip to vet. got 20 syringes full of penicilin and she got her first injection ever. she did not like it, but took it like a champ. now i have to inject her every 3 days for the next 8 weeks. any tips, do's or donts that you want to share in the effect of giving a shot to a snake, ill be glad to take it. *ps. the vet showed me how to do it. 1/3 of the body up half an inch away from the spine between the scales*
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Member Comment
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2/16/2010 5:33:48 PM
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Geckofactor
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Not to second guess the vet or anything but why did he give you penicillin? I've never had a vet recommend that with reptiles mainly because it's effective against gram positive bacteria a lot of bacterial infections with reptiles are gram negative and if he gave you penecillin for dogs, cats, and people it most likely has procaine in it which can be more easily overdosed than obviously penecillin itself or a lot of other medications he could have given you. Was there some specific thing that came back in the labs that called for penicillin? Unless that Ball has the clap I don't know. As for injections that's about right not much else to say about it other than what he told you.
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Author Comment
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2/16/2010 5:39:58 PM
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iashia
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she suspects that hurricane has the beginnings of RI. Im not gonna go against her. my way already caused a problem. ROFL the clap.
on the reciept i have it says *ceftazidime inj.* not penicilin *im smart* when i read up on <--that it said its gram positive and negative. i have no idea what that means, but as long as it helps her.
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Member Comment
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2/16/2010 5:43:02 PM
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Geckofactor
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Yeah that makes sense that's not penicillin that's what's commonly called fortaz that is much better suited for the snake than penicillin.
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2/16/2010 5:45:41 PM
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iashia
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lol, sorry about that. ive never heard of it. but then again, ive never had a sick snake before.
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2/16/2010 5:53:24 PM
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Geckofactor
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It's a human drug but it's used in reptiles it's just a broad spectrum antibiotic.
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2/16/2010 7:10:22 PM
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t0neg0d
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I'm probably a freak about this, but there are so many oral antibiotics, that I get nervous when I see injectables prescribed as a first run at a fix.
And speaking of that, I had read somewhere (wish I could remember where and how many centuries ago) that injectable antiboitics have the tendency to leave abscesses which can later develop into something that can cause serious health issues for your reptiles. Can anyone confirm/deny this? And how serious is the risk... if there is any truth to it.
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2/16/2010 8:15:06 PM
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Geckofactor
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Oral medication almost never works with reptiles injections can leave lumps at the site but it can be a number of things they almost always go away and abscess that forms would be a sterile abscess or a granuloma unless you used a heroin addicts needle to inject your reptile I've only heard very few stories about necrosis of the injection site. You can also use a nebulizer if you have issues with injections but we've been doing it for years with no problems. I know very little about nebulizing with reptiles you might want to look up whitehillreptile on here he mentioned he's done nebulizing with some success in the past on here.
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2/16/2010 9:38:43 PM
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thestef
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you could soak the snake in warm water? im not sure if anyones said that, and it's just a guess.
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Author Comment
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2/17/2010 12:24:00 AM
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iashia
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Hurricane passed a few hard stool while i was gone. I think shes gonna be okay. no celebrations until its all out and shes had a few more cycles of regular poo
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2/17/2010 2:08:28 PM
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Suthamorak
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All the information I would have said seems to be already here, so I'll just say that I hope your snake pulls through, and smoothly ( not a pun at all ) it is a great looking snake. :)
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Author Comment
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2/17/2010 2:22:52 PM
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iashia
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lol, i needed that smile =) thank you for your support. hurricane appreciates it too =)
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