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Q: What happened to Albino Ball Pythons??
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godspeed

When I got my first ball python, about 15 years ago, there were two options:  regular ball or albino.. also hets.  A regular cost around $100, give or take $25 and depending on where it was purchased.  Albinos cost about twice that. 

I now have a pastel het female that was born in July.  I wanted an albino back then, but instead I chose to have only one ball python, a red-tail boa, reticulated and burmese pythons, macklotts python and something else.  I made custom cages, all out of plywood, that weighed about 150 pounds.  No joke.  They were big, roomy and heavy.

 

Wow, have things changed.  With the practically weightless cages like the boaphiles, compared to my wooden anvils.  AND albino ball pythons are about $400 or more?!?!  It's just an albino, something that was everywhere back in the day before the pastels, ghosts, piebalds, spiders etc came about.

 

My question is a two parter: 

1.  Does anyone know where a young albino male can be purchased at a reasonable price?

2.  Does anyone know why albino ball pythons are so expensive now?  Is it because of the other varieties that now they are pretty rare?

 

I went to a reptile show over the summer.  My first one in about 15 years.  Back then, there were rock, burmese, retics, bloods, ball pythons and other large snakes.  I was shocked to see only one rock, no burmese or retics, bloods or others.  Mostly boas, many of the ball python varieties, corns, milks, kings and that was the majority.  By majority, I mean about 95% of the snakes that I can recall.   I saw nothing over 3 feet, correction, there were a couple womas that were about 4 feet. 

 

Things have certainly changed since my absence in this arena that I enjoy so much about.  BTW, if anyone is wondering why suddenly after all these years, let me just say I am now divorced and like what I like and nobody will tell me what I can or can't have or do when it comes to a pet or hobby.

 

Can anyone set me up with an albino male?  I just did a google search and found about 2 that were not cheap.  The market is flooded with morphs now.  That is not a negative statement, they are all gorgeous and stunning!!  I'm glad things have changed and the larger snakes, that cost a fortune to feed and often neglected once they got so large, are somewhat not as poplular and people are sticking to more reasonable sized snakes for pets.  Even the boas that I've seen have changed and they are all breathtaking.  Kudos to all of you breeders that have changed the arena and devoted so much time, effort and experimentation to offer such beautiful creatures with such great demeanors.


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Accepted Answer 11/9/2011 9:59:20 PM

abi21491

Posted on your blog but figured I'd post here for Answers sake:

Actually, albinos are cheaper than they've ever been... When they were first discovered they were like $10,000. Just 4-5 years ago they were still in the $700 range. They've really dropped in price over the last few years. You can find a male for around $250-350 these days which is a hell of a bargain :)

 
Member Comment 11/9/2011 10:07:59 PM

KCB Constrictors

The first captive bred albino ball pythons were hatched by Bob Clark in 1992, and they were worth THOUSANDS.  You never saw an albino ball 15 years ago for anything close to $200.  You are probably thinking of albino burmese pythons, which were first produced in captivity back in 1986 (again by Bob Clark).

$300 - $350 is a fair price for a male hatchling albino ball python today...and that's as cheap as they've ever been.

 
Member Comment 11/10/2011 12:20:18 AM

krosario68

Sir, like you, my first snake was over 20 years ago.  Back then I have never even seem a ball in a store.  It was always retics and burmese.  I remember buying my first normal retic fo 125, and burmese for 150.  Now this is back in 1983, I don't remember seeing my first albino for sale till the late 80's.

 
Member Comment 11/10/2011 12:52:46 AM

abi21491

KCB brings up a good point, you probably are remembering Albino Burms, especially if you were at Captive Bred here in Ohio. The only Ball morph I've seen go up instead of down in price over time are female Enchis. a few years ago you could get males or females for around $200-300 but now I see females going for $500-600. Good luck in your search!

 
Member Comment 11/10/2011 7:24:19 AM

bsharrah

To answer your questions:

1. At most reptile shows about 5 minutes prior to the end of the show.

2. They aren't.

Welcome back to the hobby but based on your post you are in for quite a shock.  I guess similar to that of someone waking up from a 15 year coma.  I think you will find a lot has changed and a lot was not the way you remembered it (like albino balls for $200).

Keep blogging.  I find it interesting how people recall and compare how things were to how they are now.  So much has progressed and I would love to read about your thoughts and perspective as you begin seeing this first hand.

 
Member Comment 11/10/2011 10:44:30 AM

Brandon Osborne
20 years ago Bob Clark was the only person with albino balls. Males were $10k and females were $7.5k...or you could have a pair for $15k. As mentioned, I think the first year they were offered for sale was either 92 or 93. Hell I remember when albino labyrinth burma were $10k each....if you bought them in groups. Then we saw mojoave balls jump from $3-5k to $30k overnight because of the leucy discovery. Things are changing in this hobby on a daily basis.
 
Member Comment 11/11/2011 11:21:02 AM

shellboa

Some thing none of you are taking into perspective was the import industry and how cheap stuff was if you bought lots. I have a friend who, much like Crutchfield, was in on the "underground" of the reptile import industry. He said you could buy 100 baby ball pythons cheap and if you actually went to Africa you could find "interesting" ones and hand pick your lot for a little extra. I'm sure cheap then was not a cheap now (normals wholesaling for $5) but while it may seem unreasonable to us morph collectors now, they were cheap before they got "discovered" and then consequently exploited in the pet industry.

 
Member Comment 11/11/2011 11:44:56 AM

bsharrah

How do you know we didn't take that into consideration?  Even in "lots", albinos were not near $200 back then.  Maybe I am misunderstanding your post.

 
Member Comment 11/11/2011 5:20:26 PM

glebster3

albino pythons are a thing of beauty and a more difficult python to take care off, your absolutly right they were cheaper but when i got my python it was between the albino and green tree python. i didnt get either because the albino wasnt there and the tree python was 850 yeah .. now with all the morphs its even harder to find a good and an inexpesive snake. i would look into upcoming reptile convention.

 
Member Comment 11/11/2011 5:32:36 PM

bsharrah

How are albinos more difficult to care for?

 
Member Comment 11/11/2011 5:41:43 PM

krosario68

Woud love to hear how they are harder to take care of. Since I have one!

 
Member Comment 11/11/2011 7:03:29 PM

Behindblueyes21

I think that is a little off topic, I have albinos and obviously they are the same as my other morphs to care for, or normals for that matter. But, as far as value goes, I have watched the price on Albinos drop over the last few years- same with a lot of the recessive genes. But not just recessive, ALL morphs are dropping in price- except the new "hot" morphs like said above. The female Enchis are going up (males too in some cases), Fire females and Vanilla females too. I think it was two years ago I happened across a male "firefly" (pastel x fire) for $650, and thought it was stupid, looked like a nice pastel to me, but I was new into morphs, and did not understand the fire gene. Now a couple years later, I get it, and even this year fires are taking on strong as a popular morph. Now you can't get a firefly for under $800 (depending on certain rare deals). and enchis too- I saw male and female enchis for $300, sometimes less and I regret snapping one up had I been able to see into the future what would happen to their value. 

Anyhow, that is enough blabling- I don't even know if I made any sense there. Prices go up, and prices drop. Albinos are finally flatlining around $300-$400 give or take, I am assuming the same will happen to "normal" pieds as well, as the new craze is albino codom morphs, and pied color/patten morphs. 

 
Author Comment 11/11/2011 9:47:16 PM

godspeed

bsharrah:  thank you.  It is like waking up from a coma.  However, with all the morphs, there is a greater selection than just two:  normal or albino.  Technology has made a big diffence to, all in a positive way, like flex watt, temp guns etc.  I was thinking of albino burms I'm sure.  My mistake.  I had a retic, burm, red tail boa, ball, macklotts and a few others. 

The problem then, people buy a good locking hatching that grows to ten feet in a year.  Mine were in custom wooden cages that weighed a ton.  The burm and retic were in 6 feet wide by 2 feet deep and 2 feet wide cages with big totes for water bowls.

With expensive animals comes people that are willing to pay the price which ensures the snake will be cared for, unlike someone buying a $20 regular ball and losing interest in a short time and it gets neglected.

Behindblueyes:  good information.

thank you to all that posted to this thread.  It shows support within a community of people with the same interest and passion.  Having said that, back in the day there was no social network.  It's nice to get on here, ask a question, and get feedback and different perspectives.. all of it is helpful.  I got my ball python thinking I'd enjoy her, and I do.  So much so that I want more and morphs.  I may try to breed at some point.  It is a science and there must be great joy and feeling of success to incubate and have gorgeous snakes hatch.  What a reward.  OR the opposite and they die or you lose half of the clutch.  It makes me think of farmers, living a long hard life with a hard and time consuming job.  If there crops grow, they are rewarded, if not, unfortunately it makes it hard to pay the bills.  The difference, farmers rely on many variables from the soil to the weather, bugs etc to make a LIVING.  As hobbyists, and I say that because I'm sure most of you have jobs and do this on the side or supplemental income.  So, if the unfortunate happens, a clutch is lost, you won't starve or lose assets like the farmers that lose their crops.

I look forward to keeping in touch with all of you, and others, when questions arise and sharing the same interest.

Thank you to you all.

Cheers!

 

 
Author Comment 11/11/2011 9:56:39 PM

godspeed

also, let me add how the time gap, since I was really involved has also changed with the cage material.  I no longer have heavy wooden cages.  Instead I have the plastic style like boaphile.  SO much lighter and more practical.

 
Member Comment 11/16/2011 6:11:27 PM

briannalee

I think the popularity went up too.

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