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Crested gecko eggs found in dead mother, will they hatch?
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A gecko I just took in last week died yesterday. I knew she had eggs so when I found her dead, I cut her open and removed them. They were already hardened (like after they are laid) and they seemed to be in pretty good shape. They are a tad mishapen because when the female died, her veins constricted around the eggs but they seem fully calcified and fertile. I think she was dead about 10 hours before I got to the eggs. Having said that, do you guys think they will hatch? They still look good today but I don't know if being in a dead gecko for that long had any adverse effects.
Thank you
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9/30/2012 2:45:13 PM
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MdngtRain
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If you have a seperate space to incubate them, you can always try. worst case scenerio you get eggs that don't develop... I'm not sure about deformities tho... I suggest a seperate space in case there's any bacteria you don't want to pass along to other eggs...
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9/30/2012 2:45:37 PM
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MdngtRain
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also, sorry about the loss of the gecko :(
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9/30/2012 2:52:33 PM
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tikikitty95
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Thank you. I got her and 16 others last weekend and I'm hoping this is the only casualty we have. She died from what I think was a combination of dystocia and liver cancer. The organ was really big and lumpy so cancer is my best guess. I'm sending it out for biopsy though.
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9/30/2012 3:15:41 PM
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aaron
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I have never heard of eggs hatching out well when they are taken from mom in snakes. please update this as things progress, best of luck!
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9/30/2012 5:52:50 PM
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Ihkura
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10 hours may have been too long without oxygen in some form, but my fingers and toes are crossed they are okay! Candle them in a week, and see if you can spot the "magic red cheerio".
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10/1/2012 9:31:25 AM
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MasonDixonReptiles
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I cannot imagine having such a shortage of crested geckos in an area that it would be worth mangling the corpse of one that died to try and preserve eggs... particularly when you have 16 others. But... to each his/her own.
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10/1/2012 1:16:51 PM
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tikikitty95
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^Honestly, I was trying to determine the cause of death as well. And I'm glad that I did "mangle" the corpse because I learned that she had a very enlarged liver which probably meant cancer (thankfully not contagious), although I am sending it out for biopsy. I would've "mangled" her body though regardless to make sure that she wasn't the first casualty of a large scale illness. If she had been one of my geckos that I've had a while and not one that I just took in a week ago I probably would've left her alone. Aside from all of that, I would assume that necropsies in the pet trade are a pretty common practice as they are the only reliable means of establishing cause of death.
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10/1/2012 9:08:38 PM
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tmth
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Good response tikikitty.
Mason, that was just plain rude. I presume then you've never had an animal die, or you've never bothered to get a necropsy? They may be pets but if you don't know how they died and they had something dangerous that could spread to your collection... necropsy is the best thing you can do for your animals.
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10/2/2012 3:25:21 PM
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Ginger
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I think you've got a chance at saving your babies! Ten hours may be a bit long to go without oxygen, but there's still a strong chance they're okay. I would keep them seperate from healthy bunches just in case. Watch for moulding or yellowing of the eggs, because this probably means they're dead, but not always with yellowing. All i can say is I'm sorry, and good luck!
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10/2/2012 4:28:43 PM
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dragonlvr
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Good luck with the eggs and any life saved is worth it. Let us know. I personally have not heard of anyone having luck with this one way or another. Do you see the "cheerio" ?
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10/2/2012 4:29:16 PM
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MasonDixonReptiles
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This is the other half of MasonDixonReptiles speaking...it's just plain unrealistic that a necropsy done 10 hours after dealth would mean anything to the average herp keeper. In fact unless you cooled the body down quickly a biopsy of any organ would be useless after that much time decomposing. If you want to try and save the eggs...whatever.
And tmth...I would not presume anything if I were you. I have been smart enough to cool a body and take it to a vet for an actual necropsy not just guesswork at home. I am assuming here...but I bet that someone like the OP that has only been breeding cresties for less than 6 months has never done a necropsy on a healthy animal so they even know what to look for. How would anyone without training or experience even recognise (particuarly in a body 10 hours old or more) anything that could spread? And even if they mysteriously did...it's too late! The animals have already been exposed.
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10/2/2012 8:05:23 PM
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tikikitty95
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Thank you guys for the nice comments. It's day 3 I believe and the eggs are looking great. I candled them last night but I didn't see anything very definitive. Having said that, I'm not the best at candling anyway. I still believe they are fertile based on outward appearance. I've had one egg that wasn't fertile and it looked different than these two.
As for MasonDixon, I completely agree with what you have said. A necropsy performed after 10 hours is nowhere near as valuable as one performed on a fresh body, but I was looking for obvious signs, which I found. And I also agree that a biopsy after said amount of time would most likely be useless, but for a malignancy we were hopeful. None of this even mattered though because when the organ in question was cut open, it was heavily impacted with dirt, so a biopsy was obviously not necessary.
I really don't know where you get off putting the word "smart" in your next paragraph, but my intelligence has nothing to do with the fact that the body was not found until approximately 10 hours after death, in case that's what you were implying.. She died in the middle of the night and wasn't found until the next day. And yes I have been breeding cresties a short time but I am not new to animal physiology as a whole and I do in fact have common sense. An enlarged organ that is very hard is obviously abnormal! As for my experience, I am still young and I'm still learning, but my mother has been in the veterinary field for over 20 years so I trust her judgement. I also trust Dr. Mader, whose reptile medicine and surgery book we referenced. We understood right from the beginning that we were only looking for OBVIOUS SIGNS because we DON'T have all the experience necessary to identify every whatever kind of ailment there is and some things are probably more subtle on a less than fresh body. I'm not claiming to know or have experience about everything because it's just not possible! We did the best we could at home with our "guesswork" knowing that a proper necropsy after that amount of time probably wouldn't be worth it. I never got the chance to take her to the vet for examination or I would have. I do however plan on taking the others because they might be experiencing the same issue, not a contagious "epidemic" (I put this in quotations because if she had MBD and was eating dirt to make up for a deficiency then the others probably are too) but certainly one that could kill the rest of them if left alone.
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10/3/2012 5:43:35 PM
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Ginger
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Please post a question or blog or some way of notifying us about if they live or not once they hatch (or are supposed to hatch), because I would love to know how this will turn out for my own experience in the future, and also for your gain of two healthy babies! Good luck!
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10/28/2012 11:29:11 AM
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abi21491
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