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Q: Sav Monitor ... Help
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SnakeMama

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Osiris

I aquired Osiris a couple weeks ago from the same "rescue" I got my BP Sawa from... I mention this because taking these animals from this "rescue" is rescuing them a second time.  Sure, they are in a better place there than they were previously, but they are not in a true rescue situation.. and it is definitely not ideal.

Background information I was given on Osiris:  He (not really sure on sex) is approx. 2 years old.  He and another young Sav were surrendered by a woman fostering two young boys that had no clue how to care for the monitors, one of which was quite aggresive.  Osiris is missing 7 of his toes, the tip of his tail, and mid-way down his tail is kinked and it is in the perfect shape of a door jam.  He is comfortable being handled, pet, bathed, etc.

The woman at the rescue informed me she fed him 30-40 large crickets per week and an adult mouse once per week.  However, upon arrival to pick Osiris up, I found a 55 gal. tank in a room with the bottom 4"-5" covered in dead crickets.  She also gave me all of her cricket supplies, informing me she was not using crickets any longer (odd, since she still had another Sav).  She also said that she had fed Osiris raw chicken leg pieces and a boiled egg the day prior.

(the above pic is an empty belly... no bloat)

When I got him home, I put him in the bath (mainly so I could wash the enclosure she sent me home with.. it was her "lost" corn snake's previously).  He passed urate and very loose stool.  I fed him a small adult mouse the next day, which he took easily.  The next day, I offered crickets.  He ate one and layed back down, ignoring the rest.. for DAYS.  He will eat 2-4 crickets per day, if he is very hungry.  I tried mealworms.. completely uninterested.  But, is still hungry.. has eaten another mouse and a eggs (on seperate days).  He has also had another very loose bowel movement, and no other defication.

Enclosure:  55 gallon (up from the 30 gallon rescue had him in).  Ambient temp 72.  Basking 115.  Humidity 60-70.  He has a REAL rock that will get warm under the heat lamp, should he want to lay on his belly (which he does, often).  He has a log that elevates him closer to the lamp, should he want to (which he does, sometimes).  He is on 5"ish EcoEarth (I plan to add play sand)... and digs.  He has a long log hide where he can hide his entire body.  He can soak in his water... I also let him swim in the tub every other day, which he LOVES, so he will move around more.

Ok.. So, my issues/questions/headaches...

Every care sheet, website, etc has conflicting info on feeding.  So, I am asking you.. My trusted, successful iHerp keepers.. How OFTEN do I feed him WHAT??

His belly always seems bloated.. even after one cricket!  That coupled with only two loose stools....... Parasites??  (see bloated belly below.. that is right now.. and he has not eaten since last night)

He knows when we are eating.. when anything is eating (cat food pouring drives him nuts!!)....And will climb all over, up, around his enclosure and nose rub (I have video).  He seems to only want human food.  I am sure he would gladly take a mouse at this time, too.  But, that would be a whole lotta mice!

I feel like I am starving him!  I am scared to take him out, because he is in "hunt" mode so often.  Of all my animals, he is the only one that makes me feel like I'm screwing up.. or can't figure it out. :(


Points: 150
Topics: General Health , Feeding , Digestive
Tags: Behavior, Feeding, General, Noserubbing, Savannah
Species: Lizards > Monitors > Varanus exanthematicus
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Author Comment 10/29/2012 1:31:18 AM

SnakeMama

I will add... That the water was changed.. :)  He had just tromped through it during his "hunt" and I have to wait until he is asleep to change it... I realized how awful that seemed. lol

 
Member Comment 10/29/2012 1:46:21 AM

tikikitty95
My full grown male gets a few mice once or week or a bowl of cut up meat or seafood. Mine has a bit of a belly on him and even with just weekly feedings, he still keeps it. It sounds like you're doing a pretty good job with your setup and care honestly. They are really not a difficult animal to keep. If you think there is a possibility of parasites, you can pretty easily get some dewormer or something for him. I can't really tell how big he is but he may be a little big for crickets. If you're worried about him being hungry you can give him like 1 mouse every 4-5 days. Again, I don't know how big he is so that might be off. Another thing too is that they tend to be mostly bark and not much bite so you can grab around his neck really quick to keep him from trying to bite and then grab the rest of his body. I have the same problem with my Sav. He's always trying to eat me lol. If you have any more questions definitely ask :)
 
Author Comment 10/29/2012 2:05:53 AM

SnakeMama

He doesn't try to bite.. and has only even hissed once when I bothered him in his hide.  It's all the "hunting"... nose rubbing, digging at the glass... I worry that I'm not feeding him when I should.. or that he would be hostile in those moments. LOL.  Right now, he gets a mouse a week.. and has had an egg in between.  I've offered insects, too.  Which he's taken here and there.  He is about 14" ... so, just crickets is definitely not enough. 

 
Member Comment 10/29/2012 3:05:32 AM

Floof

Do you have any idea why the crickets don't appeal to him? Could it be the size factor? Just an idea, but maybe roaches would work? Sounds like he's still small enough that large Dubia nymphs/adults would get his attention, and there are larger species to be had, as well... Hissers come to mind (though I've heard they're slower to get started). Roaches are great feeders for your beardie and any other insectivores you plan on getting, too. :)

I've never kept a Sav, but I've skimmed their care here and there. It seems the Rodents vs Inverts thing is still heavily debated. One of those things where it seems the best you can do is read both sides of the arguments and decide on your own which seems to be the most sensible route. SavannahMonitor.co seems to be a highly regarded care site for monitors. Here's his article on mice VS inverts, in case it's any help. http://www.savannahmonitor.co/mice/

 
Member Comment 10/29/2012 6:04:17 AM

Steadfast

try some worms if he isnt going for the crickets, I used to have one and I fed him an adult mouse once a week and a few (10-15) crickets every few days that what he ate and he pooped on a regular basis 

 
Member Comment 10/29/2012 9:23:43 AM

Aimee

Roaches are great for Savs. I'd suggest getting him some Dubias?  they're nowhere near as high in fat.

 
Accepted Answer 10/29/2012 9:53:27 AM

jellyfishrhythm

Girlfriend, you are going to give yourself an ulcer! - he seems fine! Savs are little babies, and want to eat all the time. People give into that, which is why SO many adult savs are morbidly obese and die early of fatty liver disease. He looks great, his body confirmation is great - the only thing I'd recommend is once he's a bit bigger, transitioning him to a habitat that has more ground space and less vertical space (I.E. a 40 breeder versus a 55 -- 55's are long, but they're not wide, whereas the 40 breeder isn't super tall, but has a good amount of ground space). When he's hungry, he will eat, I promise. DON'T be afraid to handle him, but be mindful when you're going to pick him up. They huff and puff all the time, that's just what they do, haha. And make sure your hands are free of mouse-stink :-)  ...one mouse a week isn't going to cut it. 

Keep in mind that he's a growing boy, and at 14", has a ton more space to fill out - thus, it's OK to feed him more than you would an adult. I give my sav F/T fuzzies as treats a couple times a week, but he mostly hunts crickets and roaches, or dives into a bowl of hornworms. He'll occasionally get half a hard-boiled egg as a treat as well (my tegu gets the other half, haha) - I'm of the school of thought that a varied diet is the best kind of diet. In the wild, they'll eat whatever they can find, and like I've said before, predator/prey relationships are not perfect science. It's opportunistic. If he "doesn't like crickets" - tough - he'll learn to. He's healthy, hydrated, warm, alert, and cranky - perfect little Savannah Monitor :-)

How are you approaching him to handle him? If he knows you're nervous, you bet your ass he's going to take advantage of that. Monitors are CRAZY smart, and pick up on nuances like that. Have you ever noticed that he ALWAYS makes eye contact with you? M-hmm...something going on in that little Varanid brain of his!

 
Author Comment 10/29/2012 11:14:36 AM

SnakeMama

OMG.. the eye contact thing.. NUTS!! He watches me eat from across the room.. glaring.  I swear it!  I'm totally not scared to pick him up.  I do what I do with my non-legged babies.. stroke his side to see if he's up for it.  He generally IS.  He likes to be held and interacted with.  It's like he KNOWS we are gonna do something.. anything.  I totally agree with the varied diet school of thought!  I've tried mealworms.. from a bowl.. from tongs (he LOVES eating from tongs!).. he just does not love the worms.  He tried one.. and left the rest for like 5 days!  Crickets, like I said, will eat them here and there.  When he does, he goes after them like a crazy lil monster!  Which I know is great.  It's all the rest of the time I have to listen to them!!  Today when I go get everyone's mice, I plan to get him some slightly smaller crickets that do not yet have wings.  I am hypothesizing that this may be part of his issue... as he regerged winged crickets directly after swallowing.  Perhaps smaller mice, more often??

And, yes, and ulcer is eminent......  I made it through birthing and getting four kids into elementary school easier than this! LMAO

 
Member Comment 7/14/2013 9:45:17 PM

RedWings

hello, i just got my first sav and im trying to find all the correct info i can. ive had him 4 days  he ate on the second day and i gave him a mouse today and he is sleeping next to it. can anyone help me ive had snakes before this is my first sav. I also notice his color is darker than the pics of the others i see on here. every morning i find him burried under the aspen bedding i have for substrate. as knowing nothing about savs im hopping im doing everything right with him

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