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Q: Another UTH Question!
Posted By:

CrazyBall

In Relation To:

Diablo
Sunday I got my first Reptile, a Ball Python, I have a "starter" terranium and just got a UTH, i placed it on the side of the tank though, i also heard its better to put it on the bottom, but my cage is sittin on a wooden table, so i put it on the side....is this really a big deal or can i leave it....I'm more so concerned for the welfare of ~Diablo~ not opinions....with all do respect

Points: 50
Topics: General Health , Caging Plans , Heating
Tags: Caging, Health, Heating, UTH
Species: Pythons > Pythons > Python regius
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Member Comment 2/18/2009 11:05:15 PM

redhood23
i would put it on the bottom. if you are worried about the wood burning, dont be.  what type of uth did you get? if you have it on the side i take it  that it has adheisive, if so stick it to the bottom of the tank. it won't even touch your table.
 
Member Comment 2/18/2009 11:08:56 PM

FyreFocks
It doesnt really matter where you place it as long as you maintain the proper temps to keep your new snake happy.
On a side note, normally, good UTs come with little dimples to stick on the underside of your tank so that its elevated and the UTH doesnt overheat or burn your furniture.
 
Member Comment 2/18/2009 11:35:35 PM

redhood23
thats kindof what i said, just not so nicely put. thanks for the support on my answer.
 
Member Comment 2/18/2009 11:42:03 PM

Jeffriey
It would depend on the type of UTH and the substrate you use. I found some get so hot they can cause burns to your snake so if you put it at the bottom sometimes it's safer to use a thermostat with it. Make sure it's lifted with the small bumpers. I've had a couple short out on me and I found burn holes melted right through the UTH. It was a good thing they weren't directly on wood. If you do a search through ianswers I think there's one or two similar questions with experiences from others. I think it was Kaiyudsai and bka_mama who stated some bad experiences with UTH's burning snakes and melting Tubs. Hmm maybe it was a question posted by reptile_ninja. Let me see if I can find it
 
Assisted Answer 2/18/2009 11:49:58 PM

Jeffriey
Here it is. This was in reference to a plastic tub though.
http://www.iherp.com/Answers/ReptileProblem.aspx?Id=1198

I've tried using UTH's on the side and you don't get the heat transfer as well as you would on the bottom. You'll have to check the ambient temps.
 
Member Comment 2/19/2009 1:28:56 AM

aaron
Jeff, you rock 

Get a infrared thermometer. You can get them as cheap as 25 bucks, and give you a good guesstimation of temps around the cage. I wouldn't go a day without mine. They're invaluable.
 
Member Comment 2/19/2009 12:38:49 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles
Without the little silicone nubbies that come with the UTH (i.e. Zoo Med), we did have the wood spit on a cabinet (maybe got too dry??)  - So, if you mount it on the bottom, make sure to use the nubbie things so you get air circulating under it. 
 
Member Comment 2/19/2009 12:40:59 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles
Oh, also... since it is adhesive, are you even able to remove it without damaging it?
 
Member Comment 2/19/2009 4:22:44 PM

JohnJohn
I like to put mine on the bottom, underneath.  But I use a lot of glass tanks.  I don't think I'd feel safe if it were on a plastic tub.

By the way....yes....definitely get an infrared thermometer.  Ever since I got my temp gun, I feel like I don't know how I lived without one.  The cheapest are about $25, and the mid-range ones are $45.  But it is absolutely money worth spending, because you really know a precise temperature at any particular spot within an enclosure.  Added bonus for the temp guns with laser sites :  If you ever have any lizards they love to chase the laser light around!
 
Assisted Answer 2/20/2009 6:26:27 PM

glendtcocaine
I would place it on the bottom of the tank for "belly heat" so Diablo can digest properly.  I have friends who have theirs on the side and it works as well, but for quicker digestion I would put in on the bottom.  There should be little sticky drops that come with the heater, and they are so you get clearence for the chord, and you get air flow under the tank so it wont get too hot and crack the glass.  Good luck with the snake
 
Accepted Answer 2/23/2009 12:37:53 AM

amarilrose

CrazyBall: I think everyone here has pretty much covered where to place your UTH, so I'll hit a couple other points that apply.

 

Absolutely, as Aaron & JohnJohn said, get a temp gun!  These are used to detect surface temperatures, and when setting up a new cage (or changing any heat sources), this is key to making sure that your cage is safe and you don't burn your snake!  Pretty much any other temperature measuring device will tell you more about ambient temperatures, which are important, but it is the surfaces your snake comes into cantact with that could potentially burn it.  I have a temp gun, and I love it.  Mine was a gift... which I directed my husband to get me from here: http://www.tempgun.com/main.html ;) ...mine is the PE-2, but it's older, so it doesn't look quite as flashy as what their site now shows (the laser pointer is definitely worth it!!).

 

Further, get a good, reliable method of measuring ambient temperatures & humidity within the cage.  These are key to determining that the environment in the cage is appropriate for your snake.  As several other keepers I know from other forums are fond of saying: “when it comes to temps & humidity, know, don’t guess!”  I have a couple of digital thermometer/hygrometers (I actually only bought the second one because I couldn’t find the first one for a while), and I love them!  Mine are made by Fluker’s and are probably available at any pet store that even attempts to sell reptile supplies.  The Fluker’s website is below par in my opinion, but this is the closest I can find to a direct link: http://www.flukerfarms.com/temperaturegauges.aspx – ignore the first 4 items listed, and only look at the last item, as that is what I use & love.  You can find a bunch of places that sell them if you Google search “Fluker’s + thermometer.”  (Do not, DO NOT use those silly little dial display thermometers & hygrometers that adhere to one fixed location in the cage!)

 

Finally, please get a thermostat to regulate the UTH!  There are many available, from rather cheap to quite expensive.  Even the cheap ones are perfectly acceptable; you just have to measure everything yourself & not rely on the printed-on-the-plastic-housing settings to get the temps where you want them! Once you have the settings figured out, the cheapie thermostats will maintain what you set.

 

Whatever you end up using, you need to measure ambient temps & humidity, and surface temperatures at several different times of day, in several different locations within the cage & re-check them seasonally, or whenever you change something in your setup.  I say “seasonally” because most of us see some very noticeable shifts in temps & humidity between the winter and summer months in our homes, and in our animals’ cages – so even if you change nothing, you should be checking your temps probably about every 3-4 months anyway, just to make sure everything is staying where you think it is.  This may sound like it is “overboard,” and I can guarantee you that there are plenty of people who do not put this kind of effort into checking temps & humidity, and their animals survive just fine, but all of these things I have mentioned (temp gun, digital thermometer/hygrometer, thermostat) will help you to better provide for your pet’s needs & good health! 

 

Best of luck & happy herping! :)

 
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