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Q: Suspicions about my baby blood python's health.
Posted By:

Tea

In Relation To:

Anahita

So, I bought a baby blood python from a shop in Las Vegas (Exotic Pets LV) last week. I had viewed the babies in person a week previously and those that I saw all seemed to be in good condition with varying temperaments- some a bit snappy, others super chill and nice. They all looked to be good weight and health and I was told they were all feeding on F/T just fine. I ended up buying my carpet python that day and it was out of massive regret for not buying a blood that day too that I caved and called them to order one of the babies a week later. I asked for a female and the guy said he'd pick me out a good one.

So she arrived last week (Tuesday 2nd Dec) and I moved her into a small plastic rubbermaid style tub with a hide, plastic foliage for extra cover and a ceramic water bowl, big enough for her to get into if she wanted but not too big. She is on repti-bark and so far seems to be pretty active. I see her in different areas of the tub whenever I look in on her and she's not sticking to, nor avoiding her hot spot (under tub heat mat, temps averaging 80-85º in her hot spot). I do not have a hygrometer in there just yet so I couldn't tell you exact % but I am monitoring the humidity by keepin an eye on condensation and keeping the bark not completely dry. I will be getting a hygro this week. For ventilation, I have drilled holes in the tub lid and a few around the sides. Probably a total of 9-12 4mm holes. Should I drill more? Basically, I've based my set up and maintenance on that that I have always used for my boas but have tweaked it slightly to make it what i have gathered to be blood friendly from my research. Like I said though, she's the first I have ever owned as opposed to just cared for in passing at my previous jobs so I don't have the prolonged experience.

My problem may be that I am new to bloods and a bit over cautious when it comes to the wellbeing of snakes I have never kept personally and, as such, do not have the benefit of experience with... but something seems a little 'off'. I've offered her a feed twice in the week that I have had her now and she has outright ignored it both times. I offered her a F/T rat pinkie (well, it was a bit beyond pinkie stage really but not big) both times. The second one was bloody, still no reaction. Now, in and of itself, the refusal to feed within one week after she was mailed to me is not really a shocker nor a concern. But, there are two other issues that I am seeking advice on...

First of all, to me, she seems a little underweight. She's not as chubby as I would expect a blood baby to be, but she's not looking baggy or dehydrated and her skin has a good sheen to it, no stuck shed or blemishes that I can see (though I do have one skin related issue coming up) and her belly scales look healthy with no signs of rot or anything. I have scoured her body for signs of mites and found nothing and have seen her in her bowl & checked the water and found none there either. She doesn't sit inside her bowl, she crawls over it and sort of tracks through it on her way around her tub, you know? So yes, she just seems a little slimmer than I'd like and, when she's crawling over my hand & I run my fingers down her back, I can feel vertebrae vaguely, though I can't see or feel them when she's flat (the photo of her is a week old, for reference... her name is Anahita). She hasn't fed with me yet but she has pooped and it was totally normal.

Lastly, the last couple of times I have checked her over, I have noticed that her side scales, down near her belly but not quite underneath her, seem to stick out a little. Not massively excessively and I only noticed it because, when she was moving through my hand, they felt a little different to what I am used to... but still. It seems odd. There is one scale that almost looks a little scabby or something, but it doesn't look injured and it doesn't seem to be causing her any pain so I'm not sure if it may just be some of the bark residue clinging to it because it's not lying flush with her body.

She's not hissy or defensive at all. She's not shown any aggression or desire to strike or get away from me when I have gone in to get her (which has been maybe 3 times, mostly so I could check her over a day or two after she arrived and so I could check on her enclosure). None of my snakes do... but I'm almost wondering if there's anything going on here that might be subduing her a bit?

Any insight would be much appreciated. I tried to get photos of her scales but a) she won't keep still long enough for the pics to be clear and b) it's not a hugely visible issue anyway, it's more how they feel. Sorry for the essay, I just want to be throrough in the info I give!


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Points: 150
Topics: General Health , Skin , Feeding
Tags: Blood, Bloodpython, Hatchling, Juvenile, Scales
Species: Pythons > Pythons > Python brongersmai
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Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 8:29:24 AM

Sonja K. Reptiles

Yay for detail! : ) I have a couple additional questions - how deep is the substate - can she burrow? And how are you offering her food? (On tongs, in / out of her tub, left in her cage overnight, etc.) What size tub is she in?

 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 10:26:18 AM

Sonja K. Reptiles

If the hot spot is 80 - 85F, what is the ambient? Wondering is a bump to say 87F of the hot spot could stimulate his appetite... overall, though, a week isn't long, and them being pretty strong ambush hunters, he may just need more time to adjust and feel comfortanle / secure.

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 12:57:37 PM

Tea
Thanks Sonja :) So the substrate is deeper than she is tall (it's about an inch or two deep) so she can burrow, though as yet she hasn't tried. The I upped the temps slightly las t night. Ambient is currently 79-82, hotspot 87-89. I offered her food by hand in her tub, though I was careful not to be too obvious with it. I hid myself as much as I could outside of the tub. I left the food in with her for a couple of hours but removed it because it was bleeding a fair amount and she had absolutely ignored it. Honestly, her skin & her weight are my biggest concerns right now. I know she may just be taking a while to settle. I read that approx 40 square inches is good for hatchlings/babies and she is in a tub that's about 6x12" & about 4.5-5" tall.
 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 1:35:15 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

My experience with Bloods is pretty limited, but I believe I recall reading that depending on the particular type of Blood Python, some are chunkier than others as babies. Might be something to look into to see if you can get a good feel for what is typical for yours.

As far as feeding attempts, I would wait a good week, and then try dangling a warmed prey from tongs. If that doesn't work, I'd place it in the front of the bin (away from the heat source) and leave it overnight. If she is hangung out in a hide, then you could try at the entrance, too. Sometimes babies are just really shy feeders. You could just clear an area or you can put down a plastic lid to lay the prey on so it's off the reptibark.

 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 1:37:35 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

Also, if you haven't, I would make contact with the store to get some documentation going in case it is a health issue. 

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 4:10:21 PM

Tea

I've been doing a lot of scouring on the web and looking at a lot of pics. Looking at the babies that breeders are posting (bloodpython.com has a lot of clear hatchling photos), babies of the same species/variety are chubby as a rul. Mine is chubbier than most snakes her size, but not so much for a blood, you know? 

As for the feeding thing, I have plenty tricks up my sleeve to try and coax her into feeding that I will be trying after I have left her be for a week. Thanks for the additional tips :) I know that if they are used to feeding on mice they will often not readily accept rats so I may offer her a mouse next time just to get something down her and ascertain whether it's outright refusal to eat or just pickiness over prey type. 

I'm still concerned about her scales though. I'm not turning up any solid info online. Most scale related issues seem to stem from humidity, but nowhere is telling me what to do about it as some places say t's a sign of too high a % and others say the total opposite. I've dried it out in there a bit as it was on the higher side of things initially, so I guess I'll see if it helps. I was hoping somebody in here might have some experience in this matter specifically ut in the meantime I will call the shop and run it by them and see what else I can find online. Thanks again Sonja! 

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 4:24:40 PM

Tea

Called the shop just now and registered my concerns. Also asked a bit about how they were being kept. Quite differently to how I am keeping her now, so I am going to try and alter her tub so that she is closer to what she's used to and tweak it over time to get her to optimum condition. I have been told that she was being fed mice as opposed to rats so that is possibly a factor in her refusal and also that she was fed inside a paper bag at the store so I may try her that way as well. He didn't seem concerned about her scales.

I am probably worrying too much because I am new to blood babies and want to do right by her, but it can't hurt to be cautious and maybe a little over-observant, right?! :D

 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 5:41:44 PM

LisaT

Give you baby a week of no contact at all...some do take a couple weeks to settle in...When trying to get them started feeding, well....they are not thrilled with your company...just put it in and go away, I fed at night, dropped it in, turn lights off and left.....sort of...I used a red light so I could watch at a distance without her seeing lol  Once my Blood was settled in she has no problem eating dinner while I have my dinner and watch her eat..lol  but at first, she wanted it dark and me out of sight.  Keep humidity at least 50%-60%.  I keep warm side at 84 degrees and ambient at 77-78 degreesI would continue offering her rats.  From the pic...she can take a rat pup easily....My girl is a little over 3 years old now and thriving.  Dont worry so much...Bloods are a hardy snake and once settled, very easy...

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 5:44:18 PM

Tea

Thanks Lisa! Yeah, she can easily take the rat pup, she just didn't even register it! I will try her on another after a week or so, in the dark, on her own! Any thoughts on the skin thing?

 
Accepted Answer 12/10/2014 5:49:57 PM

LisaT

Could be she is coming into shed...???  They don't give much in signs of moult coming on..but the scales feeling like loose...flappy...is one...then they just go dull..lol  can ya get me a belly shot of what you are seeing?  How old is she?

 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 5:53:12 PM

LisaT

You don't want to tong feed a Blood really...Is better to just always drop it in and make sure you are not in line of strike when you do...you will see...lol

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 5:53:57 PM

Tea

She could be. Loose/flappy is a good description. No colour change yet but she certainly could be coming up on a shed. I don't know when she last shed. Honestly, try as I might, I cannot get a photo that doesn't just look completely normal. It's more how it feels than how it looks? She's baby. I don't know her birth date but she can't be more than a few months old.

 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 5:58:10 PM

LisaT

At 5 months old my girl was taking rat fuzzies every 10 days..now that we have reached Jumbo rats she is every 4-6 weeks...They like to eat and will become obese if you are not careful...lol  About how long is she?  How big around?

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 6:01:10 PM

Tea

I'd say about 11-12" long and maybe 1" across her fattest point. The pics of ther above are a pretty accurate representation of her size :) I don't even have any tongs here yet so I've not tried tong feeding her. I hung the rat by its tail over the edge of her tub in her line of vision, wiggled it a bit and dropped it near her. She saw it but left it both times I tried. Thankfully my similar sized carpet and boa are both pigs so nothing goes to waste!

 
Assisted Answer 12/10/2014 6:08:53 PM

LisaT

Yeah...pup good size...and I would drop it at opposite end of where shes at..don't worry..give her time to settle and watch for her to look like she has panty hose on..that is exactly how my girl looks when in moult..lol. 

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 6:11:46 PM

Tea

That's great. Thank you! Definitely helped ease my mind! It's funny... with every new type of snake that I keep, new things pop up that are normal for one species and not for another. Even after 12 years keeping reptiles, there are still so many surprises and so much to learn! I love it and I'm happy to be a part of a community of such knowledgeable, helpful people :)

 
Member Comment 12/10/2014 6:19:54 PM

LisaT

And when she dies shed...watch...and time it..right in the middle of one shed to next she will get in her dish a lot...don't be afraid to give her avdish she can get in and cover herself..they like to get in water..  My girl has a large cat litter box to get in...and that's too small now...

 
Author Comment 12/10/2014 6:22:42 PM

Tea

That's great to know. Thanks. Would explain why she's been in and out of her water a lot!

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