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What do "breeding papers" usually consist of?
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Hey -
I'm looking to add a few snakes back into my collection sometime in the near future. I've been checking out a few breeders lately, and noticed that some of them mention that their snakes come with breeding papers.
I'm just curious as to what the papers usually consist of? Are they just printed copies of lineages or something?
Is it a common practice with reptile breeders to include papers with the sale of a reptile? I haven't dealt too much with breeders yet, since most of my reptiles in the past have been rescues.
If I'm planning on getting into breeding in the future, is getting snakes with papers important? Or do they not really matter much?
Thanks!
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Accepted Answer
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7/14/2010 12:44:57 PM
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shellboa
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There have been two instances that I have encountered actual breeding papers. One was when I bought my pair of Rhino Iguanas, the paper certified that they were legally captive bred and has the lineage to the grandsire. The other was a guy who was selling hets and had pictures of the parents and a link to his web-site where you could request clutch numbers and see the parents there. Any other papers I have seen have been hoax's of people offering to guarantee hets that were not truly hets.
As always it is a buyer beware kind of situation and unless you can build a reputation no piece of paper is going to convince every one that they should buy your snakes. I have also not ever heard of snake pedigrees or a snake registry. There could be one but I havn't heard of it.
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Member Comment
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7/14/2010 1:26:04 PM
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JohnJohn
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There is a large corn snake registry. If it's corn snakes you're looking at, it might be referring to that.
Otherwise....I would agree completely with shellboa.
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7/14/2010 2:25:21 PM
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BuddyB
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Breeding papers can consist of feeding/shed records, pics of the parents breeding, hatchling pics and/or feeding pics.
Some animals may come with "locality" verification of the adults.
Some animals will come with a pedigree..see a copy of a chondro pedigree below.
Buddy B
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7/14/2010 2:59:50 PM
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FyreFocks
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The lineage idea, according to Greg Maxwell, came from the guys who would collect w/c gray banded kings due to the variety of patterns shown in different localities. Chondro keepers are pretty tight about lineages for designer line animals, and the corn snakes have their own registry set up. I love the idea and i use iherps lineage system for all the animals that i have produced or have purchased and managed to get parental pictures.
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Member Comment
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7/15/2010 3:46:09 AM
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shellboa
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I did actually know about the corn snake registry and just forgot and I have never owned a Chondro so... I still say it can be a buyer beware type of deal. Keeping records of who gave birth to who and where they came from is always a good idea. I don't think that it increases the value of the animal any unless you are doing it to verify either a pure strain like the Okatee or that some thing you are claiming is a het is really a het.
My personal opinon is that feed records are great, breeding records with results are a good idea, but neither will ulitimately sway my decision to buy an animal one way or another for most animals. I would chalk it up to being a personal preference for the most part and go on a case by case basis for any thing that is know for a registry or locality type record keeping etc.
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7/15/2010 5:15:19 PM
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bsharrah
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A lot will depend on the species we are talking about. I primarily keep chondros so "papers" to me are feeding records and lineage information if either exist. Personally, I would pay more for an animal that comes with both as opposed to one or the other, or neither. I don't keep balls but have read lots of threads about them and "papers" often seem to be nothing more than a signed document stating the animals are het for this or that. In those instances, the documents are worth no more than the person's word. True, one could say the same about a chondro lineage document, but I can verify the authenticity of the information provided in most lineage documents simply be contacting other breeders.
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Member Comment
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7/19/2010 4:42:05 PM
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Nitram
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with boas n bps that ive had experience with buying, its usually just like a track report that includes a pic of sire and dam. i wouldnt buy a het from anyone i didnt know. anyone can get a normal n sell it as a het for who knows how much more.
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7/27/2010 9:35:16 PM
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WingedWolfPsion
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I create full-color photo ID sheets for all of the hets I produce, sign them, and then laminate them, so people have something that can go with the animal if they ever re-sell it.
The sheet includes a top view of the animal, its hatch date, ID number, species, morph, gender, and what it first ate.
Under that is a photograph of each parent, with their name, ID, and morph.
I keep copies of them in my own records, so if someone comes to me later and shows me the sheet (or a photo of the animal), I can compare it and say 'yep, that's the snake I produced'.
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1/25/2011 11:35:10 AM
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abi21491
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