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Q: what really is the best water for my animals
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Steadfast

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Hop

So recently I got some Dart Frogs and I have done a ton of reserach on them and their reqiurments. The one thing i keep coming across and I guess its just a matter of opinion at this point is how their enclosure should be watered and misted.  The Obvious answer here is RO  water but that is not an option to me right now so some people will suggest spring water and some people say distilled water. In talking to many people about this I still cannot get a straight answer from anyone so I turn to you Iherp to seek your opinions and knowledge. In trying both types of water I have found that im not the biggest fan of spring water since it leaves deposites on the glass and Distilled water does not, As for the Distilled water I know that if I only drank Distilled water I will die that is a fact but some people say that is not true with the animals and is considered a common myth. I have even gone with a 50/50 mix but in all honesty I dont know what i was thinking there as it just became spring water. some people will also suggest tap water or treated tap water I live in NYC and they say we have some of the best tap water (and im not so sure what that means) and some people have said that it is acceptable. anyway let me know what you think and anything you have to back up your opinion would be great.. thank you in advanced for your answeres 


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Points: 150
Topics: General Health , Water
Tags: Drinking, Frogs, Misting, Water
Species: Amphibians > Frogs > Dendrobates tinctorius
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Author Comment 5/7/2012 1:43:20 AM

Steadfast

also I dont know if this will sway any opinion or if it even matters but there are plenty of living plants as well as live moss in their enclosure 

 
Member Comment 5/7/2012 8:23:40 AM

Sylvias

Use water that you would use for setting up a fish tank. It has to be clean and free of toxic chemicals or it will kill the fish, it will do the same to reptiles and amphibians but usually much slower. But it also has to have nutrients in it... which RO does not... that is what kills about distilled. It has had all of the micro nutrients removed so that it is just water and this ironically dehydrates the cells. 

Usually tap water treated with a high quality water conditioner will just be fine. RO can be used but you would still need to condition the water to put the right trace elements back into it and in that case if there was something specifically for reptiles that would be a better way to go and most fish water conditioners focus on removing chlorine and nitrates and such....  

bottled waters though I am not sure about, would have to do more research....

 
Author Comment 5/7/2012 9:36:32 AM

Steadfast

Interesting, for a while I was trying to get myself into Saltwater fish tanks and this is where I first heard about RO filters. They have such high praise for them and put them second to none almost making them your only option. 

I would like to see what anyone else has to say about spring water. a lot of the things I have read pretty much suggest it but to me something doesnt seem right. Frogs have that sensitive skin and they absorb their water, after using spring water to mist my setups and whatever the deposits left on the glass doesnt seem like it would be the best choice for the frogs but maybe thats just me being crazy 

 
Author Comment 5/7/2012 9:54:12 AM

Steadfast

I literally just googled this "what is the best water to use for dart frogs" and without clicking on too many links and just reading the brief things listed below each link there is such a difference in opinion 

 
Member Comment 5/7/2012 2:28:50 PM

GeckoGeek

I was wondering the same thing. I too heard distilled water may not be the best, but I've been using it for my tree frogs and geckos with no obvious side effects. My tap water has some mysterious fish killing quality, even with water conditioner, so I don't want to use that. I hope both of us find some answers.

 
Member Comment 5/7/2012 2:58:20 PM

Kitishane

We used to use water from the "Glacier" water dispensing machines outside most grocery stores in our freshwater tanks. Might want to consider going that route here too, since it's mostly cheap, and you don't have to install your own RO system.

 
Author Comment 5/7/2012 3:21:47 PM

Steadfast

see josh's frogs uses RO water ive heard most places use distilled water and black jungle (where i got the frogs from) suggest good spring water some people even say rain water is the best but i dont even know how good that could actually be. in doing a but more research ive even seen filtered dechlorinated tap water 

 
Accepted Answer 5/7/2012 4:46:44 PM

lauraleellbp

I've been an avid aquarium hobbyist for about 30 years now, so water options are something I've had to learn a bit about...

"Spring water" is not all the same- as it literally comes from springs, all over the US (usually), and therefore actual water composition and parameters (pH, hardness, actual mineral content, etc) can differ GREATLY from brand to brand and sometimes even bottle to bottle as some companies have multiple bottling plants and/or pull water from different spring locations.

RO (reverse osmosis) water is produced by filtering water through specific membranes.  Its composition can differ somewhat depending on original water composition versus exactly which filters are used and how old they are, but for the most part, RO water is what most aquarium/aquatic hobbyists consider the "ideal" and best water.

I personally am not a big fan of distilled water, though it's definitely preferable to deionized water.  The main issue to me is ALL of the mineral content has been removed, and for most organisms, over time, this can lead to various trace deficiencies in their systems.

Personally, I stick with treated tap water.  (I use Seachem's Prime to remove chlorine and chloramines.)  If I were concerned with my tap water, or were using a misting system and needed to worry about it clogging from mineral deposits, I'd go the RO route.

 
Assisted Answer 5/7/2012 6:22:03 PM

CreepyCrawly

I agree with lauraleellbp.

First off - I don't keep frogs.  I know very little about frogs.  But I know wild frogs don't get distilled water delivered.  They get rainwater primarily I think.  Maybe some creek water, or pond water, or puddle water.  But it's not distilled - which means it hasn't had the minerals and electrolytes removed from it.  So even though it would make cleaning the glass way easier, I'd skip the distilled water.  I am of the school of thought that animals can become dehydrated if they only drink distilled water because they won't be getting enough electrolytes. 

Spring water and other filtered bottled waters are too variable in composition.  You never know what source they're going to be from, so you don't know what the mineral content is going to be.  I think it's better to have a more consistent less variable water source, especially for something as delicate as a frog.  We might not be able to tell the difference, but they might - and if big changes are made too often, it could stress them out.  Maybe. 

This is where RO and tap water comes in.  Either of these would be acceptable to me.  Your municipal water source is probably pretty stable in its parameters, I'd think.  You could set up an RO system, and use your tap water, or personally, what I'd do, is just buy a Brita or a Pur filter to remove the chlorine and use tap water poured through that. 

Good luck with your froggies!  Hopefully you'll figure out something that will work well.

 
Author Comment 5/7/2012 11:37:03 PM

Steadfast

interesting CreepyCrawly you said that frogs do not get distilled water delivered but you believe RO water and Tap water is readily available to them. at thiat point spring water seems to be the most natural, since most tap water is treated to some degree. I dont exactly know the answer I am seeking since there seems to be a ton of opinion flying around. my biggest problem with tap water is that even though it can be treated tap water varies from location to location. Being from NYC i cant imagine that the tap water is anything close to what it would be across the country. therefore the chemicals used to treat it are broad i assume.. Maybe I'm too much of a skeptic and do not have faith in many things. I appreciate all the feedback and I thought i would have had more answers with some solid arguement . all of the answers were good but for some reason I cant wrap my head around why so many respectable companies have such different opinions. its nothing personal to anyone im just not convinced by any answer so far enough to change what I have been doing. 

 
Member Comment 5/8/2012 1:03:37 AM

Doomtrooper

Just use steam distiled water  its pure  and it's cheap  about $1 a gallon .. Thats what I use when I spray  No hard water spots ..

 
Member Comment 5/8/2012 1:35:02 AM

CreepyCrawly
That wasn't really my point. Just that 'natural' water has minerals and other stuff in it I'm sure, and it's makeup is consistent - which is in a broad sense similar to RO and tap water in that way. I wasn't implying that my tap water is the same as yours - but that yours is I'm sure treated consistently the same as it always is, so your tap water today is probably very similar in make up as your tap water last month and the month before that. Your water treatment facility I'm sure treats its water to the same parameters or same recipe every single time. Sorry if I was unclear. Sometimes my thought process isn't straightforward. In any case, sorry you didn't get what you're looking for. Good luck with your froggies.
 
Author Comment 5/8/2012 4:04:56 PM

Steadfast

the thing with NYC tap water is that it has a lot of flouride in it i cant imagine that its great to use and that only thing I know that removes the flouride is RO filters 

 
Member Comment 5/8/2012 6:01:45 PM

Triangle Reptiles

Tap water almost everywhere is heavily chlorinated.  It will certainly kill fish, so I have my doubts that it is good for amphibians.  Just my opinion.  I have never kept amphibians.

 
Member Comment 5/9/2012 12:50:52 AM

GeckoGeek

I always treat my tap water with a water conditioner before I put it in my fish tanks. Recently it's been killing them though (I'm experienced with fish keeping and have been able to rule out everything else). I definetly don't want to try that with my frogs. I know bottled spring water can differ in levels of everything, but what is bad about it? Would it make sense to treat that with water conditioner?

 
Author Comment 5/9/2012 12:55:16 AM

Steadfast

hey GeckoGeek when it comes to your fish have you ever heard of/ tried drip acclimation?

 
Member Comment 5/9/2012 1:19:25 AM

GeckoGeek

I've heard of it, but doesn't that just apply to adding new fish?

 
Author Comment 5/9/2012 6:29:57 AM

Steadfast

you know what thats my fault I misunderstood you for some reason I assumed it was for adding fish when I reread what you wrote I realized my mistake 

 
Member Comment 5/9/2012 1:29:16 PM

JWieczerza

Glacier water from the vending machine at your local grocery store. $2 gets you 5 gallons of Quality reverse osmosis water.

 
Member Comment 5/9/2012 9:33:57 PM

Louie

A good filtered water pitcher will work good.I use tap water for all my snakes lizards geckos etc and they do fine with tap water ran threw a filtered pitcher.

 
Author Comment 5/11/2012 6:06:20 AM

Steadfast

Louie like a brita filter? 

 
Member Comment 5/11/2012 10:30:50 PM

steveogfunk

At the aquarium I work at, we keep several different types of amphibians. We use water with an Amquel supplement. For awhile, our Malayan Leaf Frogs were in bad shape, but we switched them to this water and they've been doing much better. We mist all of our amphibians with it daily. You should be able to find it in a pet store - probably in the aquarist section. It doesn't leave much/any residue either. I would highly recommend this as a lot of zoos and aquariums are switching to it! Smile

 
Member Comment 5/12/2012 6:45:43 PM

Dragoon

Gallon bottles of drinking water from the store is R/O water just more expensive (about 2x more)

 
Member Comment 5/12/2012 6:47:04 PM

Dragoon

To clarify the lable for the drinking water will say "purified by reverse osmosis"

 
Member Comment 5/24/2013 12:42:44 PM

Cenobite

Hey I just met you. And this is crazy. But award some points. Close this question, maybe?

 
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Cenobite

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