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Q: What is up with this ball egg that candles green?
Posted By:

Jeanie Owens

In Relation To:

Cam - $50 [Matt Egan]

"The mystery of the green egg and Cam"  (Probably not an actual mystery to someone with more experience.)

 

On May 18th or 19th my normal female ball, Cam, laid a clutch of 6 eggs for me.  Foolishly, I didn't check her in the morning on the 19th because I was running late for work.  When I got home, I found she had igrnored her nest box, and had instead glued the eggs to the hotspot. They were temping at 95 degrees.  I turned off the heat tape and proceeded to mist the eggs with water as I sawed delicately at them with dental floss.  It took almost 2 hours to remove the clutch, and I had dropped their temperature down to 85 in the process. 

I was, and am currently, rather worried that I created a nasty temperature drop for them on their very fist day..... and so, I have been waiting for hatch day with some concern.  Of the 6 eggs, one egg never developed nice veins, and another had veins but was a mysterious green color when candled.  The no-veiner got nasty and I threw it out within the first 12 days.  However, the 'green' one seemed to develop along with the others fairly normally. 

Today is day 57 at an incubation temperature of 88 - 90 F.  I've been candling the eggs weekly, and I have observed movement in all but the green egg.  No natural pipping so far.  I've been really antsy this whole week, and decided to jump the gun today and cut greenie since I never observed movement within it anyway.

So I cut a little V in the egg, and no lie... the 'egg goop' is GREEN.  I only cut a really small notch, so I can't get a good look inside, but there is a snake in there instead of a massive nasty molar placenta or something.  I'm not certain the baby is alive, but there is something light yellow and black going on inside all the green stuff.

 

So has anyone seen an egg that candled green when all the sibs were the normal pink look?

 

I've been sitting by this incubator all weekend waiting to see someone pip on their own!!! >_<   I'm really hoping I didn't give them all spina bifida, or ectopia cordis, or something else terrible with that temperature drop.  Plus, I want to discover the mystery of the green egg.  Oh man, I am totally hatchling crazy right now. 

Hopefully the pictures of the green egg vs. the normal egg will show up, as well as the 'green egg goop' image.


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Points: 50
Topics: Incubation , Pipping
Tags: Ballpython, Eggs, Incubation
Species: Pythons > Pythons > Python regius
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Member Comment 7/15/2012 6:10:29 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

I thought I was the one that had "odd" things happen, but that's a new one for me.... I am interested in knowing what happens, too!

 
Assisted Answer 7/15/2012 8:05:46 PM

Synath

You know, I wonder if snakes can have meconium births?  I wonder if this is a case of it.  When a human baby is born, sometimes they poop before coming out and that turns the fluid green.  I wonder if for some reason at some point stress caused this baby to have a little poo or uriate or something that turned it green.  Would be very interesting to know.  Keep us posted on how it does!!

 
Member Comment 7/15/2012 8:17:46 PM

MdngtRain

wow. weird.  I have no clue... Definately keep us posted!!

 
Author Comment 7/15/2012 9:04:34 PM

Jeanie Owens

The green color was present from the very beginning.  However, I don' t know how far along in development a baby snake is when the egg is actually expelled from the mother, so you could still be right. 

I guess if it is meconium, that would be way better than gastroschisis!

 
Assisted Answer 7/15/2012 9:44:44 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

I don't know enough about snake anatomy, but I wonder if there is something not so right where bile is leaking - I know in humans that is green, like the color of grass.

 
Member Comment 7/15/2012 10:21:24 PM

Synath

oh good thought sonja!  I didnt know snakes had gall bladders to produce bile.  I so learn new things here all the time!

 

 
Accepted Answer 7/16/2012 8:51:53 AM

abi21491

Very weird, this is definitely not something I've ever seen or heard of! Though, the temp dropping to 85 for a brief time shouldn't have caused any problems. Some people have incubated the entire time that low, and many people have hatched healthy clutches after experiencing a low temp drop for hours up to days. Of course that doesn't mean it is impossible for it to hurt, but generally speaking small drops don't usually kill. It's temp spikes that cause the most defects/deaths. Hopefully the baby survives! In eggs I've cut that had dirty liquid, I've gently removed with a q-tip and/or replaced the gross stuff with clean water, you can store it in the incubator so it's the same temp. Always worked great! But I've never seen this as I said before so I don't know what you can really do.

 
Member Comment 7/16/2012 9:47:42 AM

Cenobite

Future member of the X-Men maybe in there?

 
Member Comment 7/16/2012 10:03:28 AM

MdngtRain

just looked at the link aaron provided in another question (about lemon juice and eggs)... the eggs were very moldy wen they hatched, but i noticed that there were gren stains on the papertowel seeping around black specs. wonder if it's something like that... (sorry, my phone doesn't like to cooperate with pasing a link, or i would re-paste it here.

 
Member Comment 7/16/2012 2:09:15 PM

tmth

I have no answers for you, but I'm pretty sure I'd be opening the egg up a bit more to look inside and see if the hatchling is still alive. Weird!

 
Assisted Answer 7/16/2012 2:41:03 PM

Aimee

possibly the egg is contaminated with Psuedomonas? is there any hint of a sweetish odor?  more koolaid-y than putrid?

 
Assisted Answer 7/16/2012 2:48:32 PM

Cenobite

Aimee may be onto something. I found the following at exoticvetclinic.com:

Python eggs may become green and fruity smelling from Pseudomonas growth before becoming moldy.

 
Member Comment 7/16/2012 2:51:41 PM

Aimee

huh. I didn't even know for sure that could happen to eggs. but I know Psuedomonas; that stuff is EVERYWHERE and can cause opportunistic infections in all sorts of mammals. the odor is key for ID'ing it.

some strains glow in the dark, too. 

 
Author Comment 7/16/2012 6:05:33 PM

Jeanie Owens

I can't detect any sweet odor, everything just smells like vermiculite.  I cut 'greenie' open further and took a peek under the flap, I just saw the baby move for the first time!!  I don't know what is going on in there, but I'll leave it alone for now.

I'm going to cross my fingers and hope it lives!  I will keep you posted..

 
Member Comment 7/16/2012 6:47:48 PM

Sylvias

Anyone know who to contact at The Reptile Report? I think they should pick this thread up....

 
Member Comment 7/16/2012 9:39:30 PM

Xxun

Awesome mutant snake baby in the making :D

 
Member Comment 7/17/2012 8:35:03 AM

Benjay2010

That is very interesting. From the start of the read my mind had been set on the possibility that the baby was indeed alive. Maybe he's "special" :P Can't wait to find out.

 
Member Comment 7/17/2012 8:58:06 AM

Cenobite

If that thing comes out with an adamantium skeleton I'm really hoping it's a dom trait.

 
Member Comment 7/17/2012 10:03:41 PM

Sonja K. Reptiles

Any updates to report?

 
Member Comment 7/17/2012 11:16:05 PM

Doomtrooper

And you thought aliens  only impregnated Humans !!

 
Author Comment 7/18/2012 6:51:50 AM

Jeanie Owens

Not much in the way of news on the green egg.  It isn't coming out of the shell yet.

I did get scared and cut the other eggs to peek inside.  Depending on if you count the day their mother laid them as day 0 or 1, they were either 59 or 60 days old yesterday with no signs of natural pipping.  The other hatclings all have normal looking clear fluid inside the eggs, and all the babies look plump.  From the 1 inch by 1/2 inch flaps that I made in the eggs, I don't see anything odd going on, but that isn't a very big window either.  I am pretty sad and worried that the eggs are this far into incubation and the babies haven't tried to emerge on their own. 

As much as I want to stare at them constantly, I'm trying to leave them alone now so they can do their thing.  Hopefully, they will absorb their yolks and be out by this weekend. 

 
Member Comment 7/18/2012 7:10:36 AM

abi21491

My first clutch I let pip on their own and they didn't pip and peek out until around day 62, I think they came out fully around day 63-64. I've cut my other 5 clutches all between day 47-50 and they always come out around 55-58. This year I haven't decided what I'm going to do. I think if I decide to cut it will be day 50-52. Tiki on here had a clutch go for like 85 days before they came out but that was because she didn't realize they had incubated at 85F most of the incubation period. As long as they are moving and healthy they should be fine :) Good luck and keep us posted!

 
Author Comment 7/20/2012 6:00:20 PM

Jeanie Owens

Nothin' yet.  Common babies, I want to see some breathing soon! 

Greenie's egg is lookin' kind of funky on the inside.  The clear green watercolor looking fluid seems to be condensing into a thicker, darker green.  It reminds me of algae in a silty pond.  Doesn't smell like algae though.  I haven't seen greenie move recently, but I still see pink and red vessles in the egg, which I assume means it is still alive. 

 
Member Comment 7/21/2012 8:16:24 AM

Orchidlove69

wow this is indeed exciting i cant wait to see what happens!

 
Member Comment 7/22/2012 8:03:47 PM

Robyn@TRR

We have put up the story at The Reptile Report. I am certainly interested to see how this egg develops, best of luck!

http://thereptilereport.com/green-egg-mutant-arriving/

 
Author Comment 7/23/2012 9:32:25 PM

Jeanie Owens

Greenie is peeking out of the egg!  I can only see a bit of the head, and thusfar it looks like your average ball hatchling.  No spines/wings/laser eyes >_<  

When it gets all the way out I will give a final report.  Wish Greenie luck. 

Assuming I insert this image correctly .... Greenie will be the one on the left with the dirty green stained shell.

 
Author Comment 7/24/2012 7:11:34 AM

Jeanie Owens

Ohhh, not totally normal I guess.  I see Greenie has bilateral micro eyes :(  It is about 1/4 out of the shell this morning and doesn't seem to be breathing very well yet. 

 
Member Comment 7/24/2012 12:16:01 PM

sarahberry

Fingers crossed for the lil guy!

 
Member Comment 7/28/2012 11:57:03 PM

Spo0led

Any updates?

 
Author Comment 7/29/2012 9:53:02 AM

Jeanie Owens

Greenie came out of the shell on the evening of July 25th, but I was being rather secretive because I feared it would not make it.  Greenie really looks like a normal very small ball python hatchling (55g) with tiny eyes.  There was no open stomach, no odd scent or growth in the shell, or anything that would give a clue to why the egg was green.

Greenie has an abnormally soft feeling belly, and overall seems to be weaker than it's siblings.  And oddly, Greenie has never balled up.  I truly hope Greenie lives, it is a very cute little ball, and my only baby with a nice partial black back. 

I will open a separate question with more points to award (for Doom) to ask if people have tips on feeding a baby with vision or possibly muscle tone issues.

Here are some Greenie pics:

 

Thanks everyone for your help and warm wishes!

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